The War in the Ukraine

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Any guesses when Russia will take Bakhmut?
Why take it over?

Russians control multiple vantage point around the town and can rain down high accurate mortar and artillery fire across this area with near impunity. If AFU is willing to feed more and more men into this kill zone to trade unfavorably with the Russians why ruin this setup? Russians in general and Wagner in particular have said they intend to use Bakhmut to bleed AFU dry. If AFU is willing to oblige why ruin a good thing.

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that their watchers have been keeping count since the meat grinder started and they've spotted elements of no less than nine Ukrainian brigades being rotated in and out of this area. Bakhmut is drawing so much attention that it's actually drawing in AFU troops freed up in Kherson as well as from Zaporizhzhia, relieving pressures on those directions.

AFU refusing to pull back from Bakhmut isn't entirely a political decision, for Bakhmut is right in the middle of the Donbas fortress area. If AFU pull back and it goes pear shaped and they get routed during the retreat it means Russians would've smashed a hole right through the middle of the fortress area. This could very well result in something similar to Second of Battle of Summa where the Soviet Red Army was finally able to pierce the Mannerheim Line and cause the Finns to sue for peace a month later.
 
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HistoryLegends' run down of situation around Bakhmut. He too thinks AFU is trading lives for time and Russians are not in a hurry to move into Bakhmut itself but rather to use it to grind the AFU. All the Russian attacks are happening on the flanks in trying to go around Bakhmut and Soledar and aim to encircle again.

Both he and Guancha gang are in agreement that since the start of the war AFU has suffered 100,000 KIA. Ayi actually says in his opinion Ukrainian KIA is well into six digits.
 

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As for causality numbers:
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1200 poles confirmed KIA.
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. So unless you honest believe averaged over the war 10% of the AFU's KIA are poles, which would extrapolate to more than 10% of the troops fighting now are poles given they didn't enter the war on day 1. That seems highly unlikely.

Poland's figures are more likely to be correct because they have less incentive to hide it. So the questions is what percentage of the troops fighter under Ukraine's banner are poles? Considering Ukraine claim they have more than 1 million men mobilized I think even 1% of that being pole is being generous. So going by polish KIA numbers that would put the total KIA at 130,000, if not more.
 

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That 100,000 KIA is just too small. I mean it, for I can't believe the Ukraine government can and will show their true losses to the EU.

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The thing is, Russia MoD is also lying about the losses of Ukraine: they only report at most half of the AFU's losses in their report.
In their daily brief recently, they just skip the things happening in Bakhmut.

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google translation:
⚡️ Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (12.12.2022)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation.

◽️ In the Kupyansky and Krasno-Limansky directions, as a result of a complex fire engagement in the areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, up to 70 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored combat vehicles and five vehicles were destroyed.

◽️ In the Donetsk direction, Russian troops continued offensive operations. As a result of a preemptive fire engagement, an attempt by the enemy to counterattack Russian positions in the direction of the settlement of Peski in the Donetsk People's Republic was thwarted by one company of the 59th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The losses of the Ukrainian side amounted to 30 Ukrainian servicemen, two infantry fighting vehicles and three pickup trucks.

Operational-tactical aviation, missile forces and artillery defeated the 83rd artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in firing positions, as well as manpower and military equipment in 156 districts.

An ammunition depot of the 102nd Territorial Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed near the village of Gulyai Pole, Zaporozhye region.

During a counter-battery fight at a firing position near the village of Zeleny Gay, Kharkiv region, a Ukrainian Smerch multiple launch rocket launcher was hit. In the area of the settlement of Krasny Liman of the Donetsk People's Republic, a combat vehicle of the Grad multiple launch rocket system was hit.

Russian air defense systems destroyed two MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force in the air in the areas of the settlements of Rodinske and Pavlovka of the Donetsk People's Republic. In addition, two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters were shot down near the settlements of Kurakhovo and Konstantinovka in the Donetsk People's Republic.

During the day, six unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Golikovo, Ploshchanka, Melovatka, Popasnoye of the Luhansk People's Republic, Terny, Kharkiv region and the city of Donetsk.

◽️ Also, two Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles and two rockets of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were intercepted near the village of Yubileynoye, Kherson region.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 343 aircraft, 183 helicopters, 2,653 unmanned aerial vehicles, 396 anti-aircraft missile systems, 7,076 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 928 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3,678 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 7568 units of special military vehicles.
 
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