The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

Miragedriver

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Here's a couple I have seen:


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Supposedly the landing gear has been strengthened. This could just be for practice landings on the simulated “land carrier” mockup. Do you think the Chinese will utilize a naval version of the K-8 as a trainer
 
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Jeff Head

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Supposedly the landing gear has been strengthened. This could just be for practice landings on the simulated “land carrier” mockup. Do you think the Chinese will utilize a naval version of the K-8 as a trainer
Perhaps, but I do not think so. The JL-8/K-8 is a sub-mach trainer, while the JL-9 is capable of Mach 1.5. I would think that in training them for initital carrier air operations where they will "graduate" to the J-15, they would use the JL-9 to train them in trans-sonic flight as well, if they have that trainer available.

Having said that, the US Navy T-45 is also sub-mach, and the US uses it for carrier training.
 

Miragedriver

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Based on this simple mathematics (or accounting if you prefer), aircraft on the 5th, and all sorts of "4 + +" generations will lose to more simple and cheaper solutions, particularly in the markets of the Third World. Technical complexity and versatility will surely provide strategic advantage, but only in combination with a sufficient quantity. The latter will be impossible to reach due to the high price. Having invested heavily in a relatively small fleet of technically advanced aircraft, the air force of a small country is at risk of finding itself in this type of situation. The few assets that it has will be spread thin and air command will be less likely to authorize high risk missions in fear of loosing the few units the air force has.

This may open up the door to modernizing older 3rd generation aircraft. However I see, a crisis is in store for manned aviation against the backdrop of rising prices and increasing requirements for training of pilots. The number of countries that can afford modern piloted aircraft will inevitably decline. Sooner or later, this number will coincide with the number of countries-manufacturers. As a result, aviation producers will have to choose from either internal markets or a very narrow circle of several potential customers who will be able to afford to have and upgrade a fleet of "fourth" and "fifth" generation fighters.
 

stibyssip

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Really?


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I just do not see it as either the prettiest, or that graceful...but that just me. To each his own.

I'm a child of the 1950s and loved the F-8 Crusader and the Mig-21 matchup through the 1960s. But for me, now getting later into my fifties, this is by far the prettiest and most graceful fighter ever built by man.


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But that's just me.

the yf-23 was a real stunner, but i admit that the old j-6 has a certain timeless appeal that some classic cars have.

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the yf-23 is undeniably futuristic and sleek, but there is a peculiar precariousness about the j-6 which like many examples of ww2 aircraft, emphasizes the excitment, danger, and daredevil spirit of aviation.
 

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Miragedriver

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This may open up the door to modernizing older 3rd generation aircraft. However I see, a crisis is in store for manned aviation against the backdrop of rising prices and increasing requirements for training of pilots. The number of countries that can afford modern piloted aircraft will inevitably decline. Sooner or later, this number will coincide with the number of countries-manufacturers. As a result, aviation producers will have to choose from either internal markets or a very narrow circle of several potential customers who will be able to afford to have and upgrade a fleet of "fourth" and "fifth" generation fighters.

This can go in a couple of directions:
1) We will see a decline in the total number of aircraft air forces poses and in the number of aircraft manufactures.

2) More of an increase in the un-manned aircraft air force

3) Many developing nations designing and producing their own combat aircraft, such as Korea with the AT-50, India and the Tejas, Pakistan and the JF-17, etc……

4) Zero airframe reconstruction of 3rd generation aircraft with modern equipment (Israel and the Kfir C12). Thereby providing number.

Any thoughts?
 

Equation

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This may open up the door to modernizing older 3rd generation aircraft. However I see, a crisis is in store for manned aviation against the backdrop of rising prices and increasing requirements for training of pilots. The number of countries that can afford modern piloted aircraft will inevitably decline. Sooner or later, this number will coincide with the number of countries-manufacturers. As a result, aviation producers will have to choose from either internal markets or a very narrow circle of several potential customers who will be able to afford to have and upgrade a fleet of "fourth" and "fifth" generation fighters.

This can go in a couple of directions:
1) We will see a decline in the total number of aircraft air forces poses and in the number of aircraft manufactures.

2) More of an increase in the un-manned aircraft air force

3) Many developing nations designing and producing their own combat aircraft, such as Korea with the AT-50, India and the Tejas, Pakistan and the JF-17, etc……

4) Zero airframe reconstruction of 3rd generation aircraft with modern equipment (Israel and the Kfir C12). Thereby providing number.

Any thoughts?

I think it would be all 4 of the cases. It depends on that particular countries needs and what are their immediate threat.
 

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While I was just "surfing" the net I noticed this one .... brilliant and to admit even I did not notice at first what aircrfat he used as a basis for this "what-if" ! :D:D:D:D

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