The Main-Armament Level Of Warships Entering Service

Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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Dec 24, 2017
Jura said:
well now I searched the net to find

"Sea Ceptors are described as having a range 'in excess of 25 kilometres (15.15 miles)', as opposed to the 1–10 km of their predecessors, although IHS Jane's reports that trials have a shown a capability of up to 60 km."

inside (of what might be a fanboish source)
What Can The Royal Navy's New Sea Ceptor Missiles Do? 23/11/2017
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I also noted in an older BAE leaflet
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about CAMM-ER:

"Missile Characteristics
• Range: >45 km against multiple targets"

anyone?
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interestingly, NavalToday refers to the Sea Ceptor with "short-range shield" now:
Royal Navy’s new anti-air Sea Ceptor missile system enters service
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Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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Dec 22, 2017
Jura said:
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now, new candidates for mediocre armament:
  1. Type 26 (8k displacement) with 48 Sea Ceptors only (this assumes no Mk 41 VLS, or Mk 41 VLS installed with an empty air);
  2. Type 31 (3?k displacement) also with just Sea Ceptors;
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and oops, this week became aware of one of the contenders for Type 31 displacing the whopping "approximately 5,700 tonnes" according to
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relevant links are
Arrowhead 140 design for UK Type 31e frigate revealed
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and
Babcock Team 31 unveils Arrowhead 140 design for Type 31e bid
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but it's of course just talking at this point: Tuesday at 7:50 AM
Jura said:
from inside
May 27, 2018
Bahrain or bust – Type 23 frigate to be permanently based in the Gulf
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... the last sentence: "The Type 31 programme is the most realistic hope for an increase in numbers, though the five promised are not yet even in the MoD equipment funding plan."

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anyway I'm curious what the armament would be if they were ever built: the budget for the five of Type 31 is assumed to be one and a quarter billion Pounds,
so what does a quarter of a billion pounds buys in addition to the hull?

I thing it's going to be nothing except of the main gun and a small array with Sea Ceptors, making Type 31 an oversized OPV, as:

"... an Iver Huitfeldt frigate ... about $207 million, goes to weapons, sensors, and other electronics, which drive the cost of modern warships worldwide."
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(EDIT thought it'd be more, because I wrongly expected 'entry fee' for Mk 41 VLS above $100m; Finland might get it for $70m:
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plus I've read somewhere the cost per 1 m of length = 1 m Pounds (I think this includes propulsion, LOL if you know what I mean now); assuming it's true,
250-140=110m Pounds, which is around $150m
 
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Jura The idiot

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Saturday at 8:56 PM
Jura said:
Dec 22, 2017
and oops, this week became aware of one of the contenders for Type 31 displacing the whopping "approximately 5,700 tonnes" according to
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relevant links are
Arrowhead 140 design for UK Type 31e frigate revealed
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and
Babcock Team 31 unveils Arrowhead 140 design for Type 31e bid
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but it's of course just talking at this point: Tuesday at 7:50 AM


anyway I'm curious what the armament would be if they were ever built: the budget for the five of Type 31 is assumed to be one and a quarter billion Pounds,
so what does a quarter of a billion pounds buys in addition to the hull?

I thing it's going to be nothing except of the main gun and a small array with Sea Ceptors, making Type 31 an oversized OPV, as:

"... an Iver Huitfeldt frigate ... about $207 million, goes to weapons, sensors, and other electronics, which drive the cost of modern warships worldwide."
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(EDIT thought it'd be more, because I wrongly expected 'entry fee' for Mk 41 VLS above $100m; Finland might get it for $70m:
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plus I've read somewhere the cost per 1 m of length = 1 m Pounds (I think this includes propulsion, LOL if you know what I mean now); assuming it's true,
250-140=110m Pounds, which is around $150m
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now noticed inside NavalTechnology article
Arrowhead 140 General-Purpose Light Frigate
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:

"The large deck area ... can also house the Mk41 vertical launching system (VLS) with up to 32 variable length tubes."

LOL I don't doubt almost 6k displacing ships could "house" Mk41

let's wait and see what they'll get in reality though
 
Jura The idiot

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pulling this:
TerraN_EmpirE said:
It doesn't need new larger missiles yet the MK57 VLS is backwards compatible with existing inventory. IE missiles from the current Burke can be loaded in the MK57.
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from
US Navy DDG 1000 Zumwalt Class
thread (one of the reasons is the image hosting server I used here is gone), well the Zumwalts would be under-armed with their twenty four-cell launchers
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in the collection from Sep 30, 2017
Jura said:
the stringent test of the line from Thursday at 9:30 PM
would be
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if ever refurbished, in the process which is ... dragging (now they say
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they'll finish in 2021 LOL)

I now looked at this relatively modest fan-art:

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(it's relatively modest when compared to other fan-art)

captioned:

УКСК (= универсальный корабельный стрельбовый комплекс)
3 ВПУ (= вертикальная пусковая установка), 48 cells in each, total 144 cells
it basically means VLS for Kalibrs, possibly other cruise missiles in the future

ЗРК (= зенитный ракетный комплекс)
"Редут" (as in
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5 ВПУ as above, 5*48=240 cells
it basically means area-defense missile system (anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense)

the sum would be whopping 384 cells :)

had they installed just six arrays, they would've been (with 6*48=288 tubes while displacing 28k) close to the line:

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the square represents 1.0 k-displacing Project 21631 (so called Buyan-M with eight so called Kalibrs: if you want to nitpick or don't know what I talk about, please skip reading this); 8 tubes in total

the circle symbol represents 2.5 k-displacing Project 20385 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Redut: again, don't nitpick!); 24 tubes in total

the upward-pointing triangle symbol represents 3.6 k-displacing Incheon-II (8 Korean AShMs, 16 cells Korean VLS); 24 tubes in total

the downward-pointing triangle symbol represents 4.0 k-displacing Project 11356 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Shtil: again, don't nitpick!); 32 tubes in total

the diamond symbol represents 4.1 k-displacing Type 054A (32 cells VLS; 8xC-803); 40 tubes in total

the left-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.4 k-displacing Project 22350 (16 Kalibrs, 32 cells of Redut: don't start nitpicking here); 48 tubes in total

the right-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.5 k-displacing KDX-II (32 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 8 Korean AShMs); 72 tubes in total

the hexagon symbol represents 7.5 k-displacing Type 052D (64 cells VLS); 64 tubes in total

the star symbols represents 11.0 k-displacing KDX-III (80 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 16 Korean AShMs); 144 tubes in total

and finally, the pentagon (sorry! LOL) symbol represents 12 k-displacing Type 055 with 112 cells VLS, 112 tubes in total


as you can see below, these ships MORE OR LESS follow the trend of ten tubes per one thousand metric tons of full displacement; they're WARSHIPS
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the Zumwalt approximately marked with Z in blue:
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
20 Mk57 launchers each capable of holding 4 missiles for 80 missiles.
Jura would have loved the Earlier concepts for the DD21 called for far more VLS. between 64 and 128 VLS cells. As the Program evolved from DD21 to DDG 1000 they reduced the numbers and changed the mission. IT went from a Multi mission ship ( proper replacement for the Burke) to a primarily land attack ( emphisis on Naval gun fire support) with more space allocated to the AGS the VLS numbers dropped.
DD21 was also supposed to have ASW capabilities. Those were all dropped as the US shifted from conventional war mindset to Asymmetric.
 
Jura The idiot

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armchair-admiralling what's inside
BAE Systems beats Spanish and Italian designs for $35 billion warship building program
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OK I won't comment on picking unproven design except by saying it's a BLUNDER


now as to
Hunter class frigates by the numbers:
part,

150 metres in length, weighing 8,800 tonnes
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a whopper frigate


Two electric motors and one gas turbine to reach a top speed over 27 knots
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do they mean CODGLAG?


Weaponry includes MU90 torpedos,
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they apparently realized a ship should have torps to be able to kill a sub (if a helo was unavailable etc.)


SM2 and ESSM missiles, Mk41 vertical launch system
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their chart shows 32 cells:
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CEAFAR2 active phased-array radar
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Yesterday at 7:55 AM
Jura said:
Australia cleared to buy $185 million in Aegis equipment
CEAFAR/AEGIS combo if you care
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and hull-mounted sonar
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the chart says 2150 HMS so
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Equipped with one MH60 Romeo helicopter and a mission bay for an unmanned system
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thought it could be two Seahawks


Accommodates 180 crew
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thought it'd be more
 
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