The Civil War in Libya

bd popeye

bd popeye

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Well now one of our fine members has informed me that the pro Ghadaffi forces have recaptured Beni Walid. Thread open.

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Fighters loyal to late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have clashed with revolutionary forces in the former-regime stronghold of Bani Walid, taking control of the city in the process.

The head of Libya’s National Transitional Council Mustafa Abdel Jalil today warned of the threat of another civil war.

At least five NTC troops were killed and 30 others injured in the violence, Interfax reports.

M’barek al-Fotmani, a local official, says the pro-Gaddafi rebels who seized control of Bani Walid were using heavy weaponry including 106mm anti-tank weapons.

He also said that authorities called for help when the attack began, but the NTC did not send any troops.

"There are between 100 and 150 men armed with heavy weapons who are attacking. We have asked for the army to intervene, but the Defense Ministry and NTC have let us down," he told Agence France Press.

"We're out of the frying pan into the fire. We've been warning about this for the past two months," he added.

Witnesses say the violence erupted on Monday after Gaddafi loyalists, angry over the arrest of one of their men, attacked pro-revolution fighters.

The town of Bani Walid was one of the last bastions of pro-Gaddafi force in Libya's eight-month civil war.

The clashes came after mass protests in the city of Benghazi over the weekend and the subsequent resignation of NTC deputy chief Abdel Hafiz Ghoga.

Sabah al-Mukhtar, president of the Arab Lawyers Association, believes a new civil war is a real threat.

“Reason number one is that the arms are still in the hands of the various militias in various areas," in addition to competing tribes in those areas, he explained.

“At the same time, the political views of the people are in conflict. You have a situation when people want Islam to be a part of the constitution, while you have others that are liberals who do not.”

“So you have the conflict on policies as well as the availability of arms,” he concluded.

Sabah al-Mukhtar also says there are dramatic divergences in what the NTC says and what it actually does.

“Many of them are actually from the old regime – including the leader who was a Minister of Justice under Gaddafi – and there are many other people like his deputy, like many others, who were men of Gaddafi and at the same time now they say, 'we will not allow those who benefited from Gaddafi`s regime to stand for elections.'"

The lawyer pointed out that the head of NTC himself served as a Minister of Justice under Gaddafi and turned blind eye to many injustices in the country.
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Mightypeon

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A fairly interesting thing is that urbanised women (who in Libyia could divorce themselfs, keep and bear arms, join the army... Lybia was the Arab country with the least inequality between sexes) in Lybia are likely to be either pro Ghadaffi and/or anti islamic.
The NTC crushed some earlier pro Ghadaffi demonstrations by firing at them earlier, which likely increased Ghadaffi support/being-fed-up-with-the-NTCness in the capital.
Although people that are against the NTC are not neccessarily pro Ghadaffi.
 
Baibar of Jalat

Baibar of Jalat

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bd popeye said:
Well now one of our fine members has informed me that the pro Ghadaffi forces have recaptured Beni Walid. Thread open.

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This week, vice president of NTC was beaten up and NTC president was forced to hide in office because of students took over office.

The western media is putting a gloss story on Libya, because they sided with rebels. Now they have difficulty in suppressing the poor economic and law situation in Libya.
 
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delft

Brigadier
If you interfere in the internal affairs of a country, contrary to the Charter of the United Nations, you should have a dictator to fly in. Of course having such a President might not be enough. Think of how President Karzai was elected President of Afghanistan in Bonn, Germany, in December 2001.
Libya has now become the failed state just as I predicted ten months ago.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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Looks like the worst fears of people who opposed intervention are becoming true, again. :(

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Just how many times does the western governments need to be reminded of the fact swooping in with jet fighters and bombs does not solve problems?
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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plawolf said:
Looks like the worst fears of people who opposed intervention are becoming true, again. :(

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Just how many times does the western governments need to be reminded of the fact swooping in with jet fighters and bombs does not solve problems?
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Indeed, keeping Qaddafi around instead would've been the lesser evil (Benghazi might get flattened, though, along with a 5-digit casualty statistic), now Libya is a tribal/secular warfare hotspot, classic failed state.

Stuff like that makes Amnesty International's creditability dive even further...now whenever they do donation drive on the street all they can get from me is a 1-finger salute.
 
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delft

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plawolf said:
Looks like the worst fears of people who opposed intervention are becoming true, again. :(

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Just how many times does the western governments need to be reminded of the fact swooping in with jet fighters and bombs does not solve problems?
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They object more to an independent state than to a failed state. They are more opposed to the Syrian regime than to the even more objectionable Bahraini monarchy. They have no objections to the Saudi monarchy. They are afraid of Iran not because it might someday decide to develop nuclear weapons but because it is independent.
 
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