The Civil War in Libya

SampanViking

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You want him to win but do not support him. What? So you are supporting this murderous thug? Your statement is reprehensible in my opinion.

Unfortunately, this is looking more and more like a private fight between two murderous thugs, namely Gadaffi of Libya and King Abdulla of Saudi Arabia. I am hearing from various sources that the Saudi's have been using their oil in order to gain leverage against the UN Security Council Members (China Included) most likely to have vetoed resolution 1973 and convert them into abstainers.

If this is the case, this a worrying and unexpected demonstration of Saudi Power and an unhealthy harbinger of possible future events. Put this in context with the intervention in Bahrain and the growing political/religious rivalry with Iran, it makes the Saudis look far more assertive and positively dangerous.

It also has an unfortunate impact on perception, as suddenly, at a stroke, the role of the NATO countries; especially its European members, is transformed form that of principled humanitarians to that of hired hands and therefore simply being seen by many people as a better equipped version of the Africans recruited by Gadaffi.
 

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18:59 BBC BREAKING NEWS The French Defence Ministry has announced that a French fighter jet has fired its first shot at a military vehicle at 16:45 GMT. The French Defence Ministry has also stated that 20 fighter jets are currently involved in operations to enforce the no-fly zone. France will send an aircraft carrier to Libya, the French defence ministry has told AFP.

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By RYAN LUCAS and HADEEL AL-SHALCHI, Associated Press Ryan Lucas And Hadeel Al-shalchi, Associated Press – 14 mins ago

BENGHAZI, Libya – French fighter jets fired the first shots at Moammar Gadhafi's troops on Saturday, launching the broadest international military effort since the Iraq war in support of an uprising that had seemed on the verge of defeat.

In the hours before the no-fly zone over Libya went into effect, Gadhafi sent warplanes, tanks and troops into Benghazi, the rebel capital and first city to fall to the rebellion that began Feb. 15. Then the government attacks appeared to go silent.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said after an emergency summit in Paris that French jets were already targeting Gadhafi's forces. The 22 participants in Saturday's summit agreed to do everything necessary to make Gadhafi respect a U.N. Security Council resolution Thursday demanding a cease-fire, Sarkozy said.

"Our consensus was strong, and our resolve is clear. The people of Libya must be protected, and in the absence of an immediate end to the violence against civilians our coalition is prepared to act, and to act with urgency," President Barack Obama said in Brasilia, Brazil, on the first day of a three-country Latin American tour.
 
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French jets are reported to have enaged up to four military vehicles around Benghazi and destroyed them. French and brithish jets were aparently operating in a 150km radius around Benghazi.

It has just now been reported on Al Jazeera live, from a reporter who said she just got a briefing at the Pentagon, that at this moment US naval forces have launched [cruise missile?] strikes against Libya's air defenses. This was said to be the first of a multi-phase operation.
So after an initial strike to support the embattled rebels in Benghazi and a last warning to Gaddafi, wich didn't work, it seems the full up air operation has now begun. They are taking out the air defense capability and airfileds.
I believe the coalition has now committed itself. So I think there will be follow on interdiction and CAS missions to support the opposition troops. The only way out would be for Gaddafi to halt all military operations. But then, the rebels would still continue to fight them. I wonder if the coalition would be willing to support a rebel ground offensive leading to the ouster of Gaddafi. That is a difficult question IMO, and I hope the participants have already an answer to it.
I'm also a little supprised that there's so much open support from the Arab League and the Organization of the Islamic Conference. I wonder if there's some gamesmanship at work to bring attention away from home problems in Syria, Bahrain, Yemen & even Saudi Arabia. And if there's also a relation to what Sampan just brought up.
 

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NATO Air Forces are launching strikes against Libya from France and Italy. Some photos of arrivals and depatures.

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Canadian CF18 Hornet fighters arrive at the air base of Trapani Birgi in the southern island of Sicily on March 18, 2011. Italian air bases could play a key role in any military action against Libya but the prospect of Rome's first operation against its former colony since World War II carries high risks, experts said.

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Crew members perform pre-flight preparations on Italian Tornado ECR fighters at the Trapani Birgi air base in the southern island of Sicily on March 18, 2011. Italy on March 18 offered the use of its air bases to impose a no-fly zone on Libya and said it could help take out Libyan radars and defence systems after the UN cleared the way for air strikes. Italy has 'granted the use of military bases on its national territory', the government's press office said after an emergency cabinet meeting in Rome.

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A pilot boards his French Dassault Rafale combat aircraft, seen in this photo released by ECPAD (French Defence communication and audiovisual production agency), at the Saint-Dizier military base, eastern France, March 19, 2011, before taking off on a mission to overfly Libya.

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A French Dassault Rafale combat aircraft, seen in this photo released by ECPAD (French Defence communication and audiovisual production agency), takes off from Saint-Dizier military base, eastern France, March 19, 2011, on a mission to overfly Libya. Western air forces, with Arab League approval, went into action in Libya on Saturday to curb attacks by Muammar Gaddafi's forces on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said.

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A NATO AWACS prepares to land at the Birgi NATO Airbase in Trapani in the southern Italian island of Sicily March 19, 2011. Military action authorised by the United Nations against Libyan forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi could take place under NATO command or under a coalition of the willing led by France and Britain. NATO said its ambassadors would meet to discuss their response, while analysts expect an initial strike would target Libya's military aircraft, air force bases and communication systems.

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A NATO AWACS plane is seen after landing at the Trapani Birgi air base on the Italian island of Sicily on March 19, 2011. Italian air bases could play a key role in any military action against Libya but the prospect of Rome's first operation against its former colony since World War II carries high risks, experts said. Italy offered use of seven air bases to third countries to impose a no-fly zone on Libya, marking the latest step in a gradual escalation of initially prudent Italian diplomacy following the uprising in Libya.

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A NATO AWACS plane take-off from the air base of Trapani Birgi in the southern island of Sicily on March 19, 2011.

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A Danish F-16 Fighting Falcon jet fighter flies over the Sigonella NATO Airbase in the southern Italian island of Sicily March 19, 2011. World powers meeting in Paris on Saturday to discuss a coordinated intervention in Libya could launch air strikes as soon as the talks end, a source close to the discussion said.
 
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You want him to win but do not support him. What? So you are supporting this murderous thug? Your statement is reprehensible in my opinion.

I'm saying that if he won the region might become more stable afterwards than if the rebels won.
And personally I don't care that much towards Qaddafi, just stability and the well being for his people after the war. If he can exercise restraint after/if he wins then I see no reason why people can't support him (after all he's not fighting "civilians" now, but armed, dangerous rebels).

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With the no fly zone in place now... who knows. Qaddafi can still win with his ground forces, it depends on whether the coalition decides to bomb ground targets.
 

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..that at this moment US naval forces have launched [cruise missile?] strikes against Libya's air defenses.

It is happening now...

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WASHINGTON – The U.S. military attacked Moammar Gadhafi's air defenses Saturday with strikes along the Libyan coast that were launched by Navy vessels in the Mediterranean.

A senior military official said the assault would unfold in stages and target air defense installations around Tripoli, the capital, and a coastal area south of Benghazi. That's the rebel stronghold under attack by Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

Complete details were not immediately available.
 

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News report from Libya

[video=youtube;ihA0bbN4C-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihA0bbN4C-8[/video]
 

kwaigonegin

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I'm saying that if he won the region might become more stable afterwards than if the rebels won.
And personally I don't care that much towards Qaddafi, just stability and the well being for his people after the war. If he can exercise restraint after/if he wins then I see no reason why people can't support him (after all he's not fighting "civilians" now, but armed, dangerous rebels).

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With the no fly zone in place now... who knows. Qaddafi can still win with his ground forces, it depends on whether the coalition decides to bomb ground targets.

...except he WON'T show restraint if he wins. Most if not ALL experts have pretty much said that he will exact the most horrific of revenge on the protesters if or when he gets a chance. We're talking large scale massacre of civilians here afterward.
 

kwaigonegin

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While their AF may be antiquated it does however look like Libya has a pretty extensive SAM network. I'm incline to believe that's what most of the tomahawks are sent to reach out and touch.

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