The Chinese Cruiser, forget the carrier...

Soyuz said:

ON the old forum There were pics of a model of a refitted varyag (i would post a link or something but unfortunately computers seem to hate me!) armed with what looked to me to be

32 yj-85 (c-805) anti ship missiles in 8 4 cell launchers
60 HQ-6 SAM in 10 6 cell VLSs
4 Type-730 CIWSs

Although the models also showed J-8s as part of the airwing so i'm not sure how accurate a representation the model was of the refitted varyag!

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the gu who bult the model must be smoking some good stuff!!!!
i mean 32 yj-85S? haha. chinese destroyers can only handle 8.
60 hq-6? yeah right. i dont even think the carrier will use a vls system, probably a grizzly.

and the j-8s prove that this guy is high

well he even had JH-7s on the model carrier as well! would they even be able to take off from a carrier with those weak Spey engines!

60 hq-6? yeah right. i dont even think the carrier will use a vls system, probably a grizzly.

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doesn't the Kuznetsov use a VLS for SAMs only for the short range SA-N-9s though

MIGleader said:

the gu who bult the model must be smoking some good stuff!!!!
i mean 32 yj-85S? haha. chinese destroyers can only handle 8.
60 hq-6? yeah right. i dont even think the carrier will use a vls system, probably a grizzly.

and the j-8s prove that this guy is high

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I truly hope plan doesn't put a garbage system like hq-6 on varyag. As for AShm, I believe 052 series have 16 Ashm launchers each.

HQ-6? what's that?

If you're referring to the HQ-61, well, they are retired in naval roles. And that model did not sport HQ-61s, but LY-60Ns.

tphuang said:

I truly hope plan doesn't put a garbage system like hq-6 on varyag. As for AShm, I believe 052 series have 16 Ashm launchers each.

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52 and 52 have 16, 52c has eight

hq-6 isnt used ona anything exept the oldest plan warship
from global securities
The ship has a Granit anti-ship missile system equipped with twelve surface-to-surface missile launchers. The Granit missile (NATO codename SS-N-19 Shipwreck) is reported to have a range greater than 400km and is capable of carrying either a nuclear or conventional warhead.

The Klinok air defence missile system, with 24 vertical launchers and 192 missiles, defends the ship against anti-ship missiles, aircraft and surface ships. The system has a multi-channel electronically steered phased array radar and can achieve a firing rate of one missile every 3s. Four targets can be engaged simultaneously in a 60 x 60° sector. The range of the system is 12 to 15km.

The Kashstan Air Defence Gun/Missile System, supplied by the Instrument Design Bureau and Tulamashzavod JSC in Tula, provides defence against precision weapons including anti-ship and anti-radar missiles, aircraft and small sea targets. Eight systems are fitted, combining missile launcher, 30mm twin gun and radar/optronic director. The range of the laser beam-riding missiles is from 1.5 to 8km. The gun can fire up to 1,000 rounds/min in the range 0.5 to 1.5km. Six AK630 AD 30mm air defence guns are also fitted.


not bad. i would hope the chinese would opt for an indegedous vls missles like hq-9 or hq-16. the space for granites can be better utilized for more planes. but 6 ak-630s and 8 khashtan! thats better than a nimitz!

Gauntlet said:

And the Shipwrecks also did the Kuznetsov more independent from US carriers, meaning it could risk engaging surface targets themself, a luxuary the US carrier doesnt have.

However, in an real life situation, using the Kuznetsov offensive would be the same as suicide.

Btw, is the any information regarding if the future Varyag will also have ASM missiles mounted under the front deck? Or would they remove them and modify the carrier to have an larger hangar deck?

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Kuznetsov will be more effective if they got rid of the 16 missile lauchers and extend the hanger deck. Another squadron of Su-33 is more useful than a one use missile.

Well, since the Flanker-D is unable to take off with the Moskit missile and fuel enough to give it enough range from the carrier, the Flanker-D aint as potent naval strike aircraft as it should be.

16x Shipwrecks is a better anti ship weapon than their Flanker-Ds IMO.

Gauntlet said:

Well, since the Flanker-D is unable to take off with the Moskit missile and fuel enough to give it enough range from the carrier, the Flanker-D aint as potent naval strike aircraft as it should be.

16x Shipwrecks is a better anti ship weapon than their Flanker-Ds IMO.

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Flanker D's can be armed with Uran and smaller anti-ship missile. No need for the moskit. Plus, it can be used for anti-air and strike missions as well.

True, but the Moskit is the standard of AShW power, and would actually have a chance against modern warships, unlike lots of other Russian AShW weapons.

Gauntlet said:

16x Shipwrecks is a better anti ship weapon than their Flanker-Ds IMO.

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Yea, but when you shoot them you are done. A carrier with an effective air wing is an attack that keeps on giving. The carrier can hold a lot of weapons for those aircraft in its holds, where most ships have to go through a lengthy rearming process to reload their tubes.

Develop a true arsenal ship and it might be a different case in this regard...but an aircraft with a human pilot will still be more flexible, and does not have to shoot his weapons. You fire a missile, and it is gone...hit miss or destroyed, you cannot take it back.

Just my thoughts.