Terror Attack in Paris, January 7, 2014

delft said:

So could it happen because of incompetence of the French services or was it allowed to happen to have an excuse to formally end the protection of privacy of all people in Europe as in fact happened in the US?

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Please, Delft, stop the leading questions that are meant to lead to people following huge conspiracy theories.

This "attack," was not allowed to happen.

In addition. Delft, I live in the US and I am about as conservative and dedicated to the US Constitution as you will find.Privacy has not been ended in the United States. Are their encroachments by politicians and powerful entities? Yes. But the American people stand up to these things and believe me privacy I still very much alive and well.

You simply have to stop these conspiratorial statements on the forum, delft. They are disruptive and they are not well founded in the least.

They are certainly unwaveringly in their beliefs.

I think the most surprising thing about this attack is the timing, as it comes little more than a week after France was the sole Western European supporter of the UN Resolution to recognise Palestinian Statehood



You really would have assumed that this would have generated very significant good will with many Islamic communities and nations worldwide.
In the same vein, the French were being very progressive in their lead at trying to wind down the EU sanctions against Russia at the next meeting on the 25th Jan.

I certainly hope that these attacks do not throw such policies off course.

SampanViking said:

I think the most surprising thing about this attack is the timing, as it comes little more than a week after France was the sole Western European supporter of the UN Resolution to recognise Palestinian Statehood

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You really would have assumed that this would have generated very significant good will with many Islamic communities and nations worldwide.
In the same vein, the French were being very progressive in their lead at trying to wind down the EU sanctions against Russia at the next meeting on the 25th Jan.

I certainly hope that these attacks do not throw such policies off course.

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I share a similar feeling. This could be connected to French troops in North Africa that have been fighting Islamist Militia's, or it could tie back to the IS or one of the other terrorist groups in Syria/Iraq. I'm sure the security services will piece it together in short order. Either way, it was a terrorist attack by radicals without concern for the cause of Palestinians or any other true moderate Muslim.

Janiz said:

I must say that the video Geographer posted looked really bad for my untrained eye. Totally unprofessional and chaotic.

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Chaotic yes, unprofessional no. Real life is chaotic, don't believe what you see in the movies. The only way to do things properly under chaotic condition is to train for it, and professionalism is about getting things done under chaotic conditions.

What should the Islamic community do to distance themselves from this? I mean every time something like this happens, they will:
1. Condemn it verbally
2. Complain of harassment, reprisals, and intimidation (which actually happened).

But what do you think they should do if they want to clear their image? Any Muslim here has any suggestions?

I don't mean to venture into the realm of religion or insulting any religion, but I long for a long-term solution for this.
I have friends who live in Muslim countries, and I would like to forward any constructive proposals that I can get here in this forum.

Thank you

Zool said:

I share a similar feeling. This could be connected to French troops in North Africa that have been fighting Islamist Militia's, or it could tie back to the IS or one of the other terrorist groups in Syria/Iraq. I'm sure the security services will piece it together in short order. Either way, it was a terrorist attack by radicals without concern for the cause of Palestinians or any other true moderate Muslim.

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I think you guys are thinking way too much. These guys and that gal are low level operatives that has been brainwashed over months or years in the sick ideology.
I seriously doubt they are thinkers and definitely do not care or even know much about any specific events in regards to Palestine of France's foreign dealings with the UN And such. The evil imam at the local mosque or their 'friends' in social media most likely has more influence on their acts than anything else.

What should the Islamic community do to distance themselves from this? I mean every time something like this happens, they will:
1. Condemn it verbally
2. Complain of harassment, reprisals, and intimidation (which actually happened).

But what do you think they should do if they want to clear their image? Any Muslim here has any suggestions?

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I disagree with the idea of collective responsibility. The only people responsible are the three who died, the woman on the run (until we hear her side of the story; already the 18 year old homeless man who was initially named a suspect has been cleared), and whoever directly aided the perpetrators. Muslims in France are no more responsible for the attacks than anyone on this forum.

By the way, there is harassment and discrimination against Muslims in France, and it needs to end.

here's what defensenews.com has to say ... I'm just only posting it here:

Geographer said:

I disagree with the idea of collective responsibility. The only people responsible are the three who died, the woman on the run (until we hear her side of the story; already the 18 year old homeless man who was initially named a suspect has been cleared), and whoever directly aided the perpetrators. Muslims in France are no more responsible for the attacks than anyone on this forum.

By the way, there is harassment and discrimination against Muslims in France, and it needs to end.

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That's right. There is a link, however, between the message they hear from certain clerics and the tendency that they display in response to that type of message.

Isn't it better if the government and the Islamic community keep an eye on those preachers? Or, probably implement some kinds of punitive measures against hate-speech and the speakers?

I am afraid that we have to deal with public perception of collective responsibility regardless whether we agree or disagree with such a notion. The perception of collective responsibility is a reality among a big chunk of the population, and I don't think we can simply tell them to change their views to individual responsibility. I agree that harassment, intimidation needs to stop.

But I also expect that the Islamic community can be more creative in their response to this kind of attack because it has been happening repeatedly, and the name of Islam has been used in most cases. It is everybody's work, including Islamic community. I agree that the moderates are intimidated by the radicals, and that's why they remain silent most of the times. But, for their future in this global world, they need to come up with ways to deal with this more effectively than just rhetoric.

I don't mean to expand this issue, but how can Islamic community adjust themselves to the reality of free speech, and that includes speech that is deemed hateful, embarrassing, and blaspheming their religion, like this one below?

I am for free speech, even though I consider some to be blasphemous to my personal belief. I wouldn't stop it. I would walk away from the scene.

Is it possible for my Muslim friends to express their rage and emotion in a rational way? I believe it is. I believe some have been done. But I also believe that much more need to be done.

For the survival of humanity, we need to tolerate each other's folly in a non-violent way.

To the moderator, feel free to remove this if you deem it to be out of context of this topic.