Regardless, there's your proof when you asked
Sure we can say "oh they will be delayed," but that's irrelevant. You got your article which quotes it, GG.
tech demostrator or fully fledge prototype
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Regardless, there's your proof when you asked
Sure we can say "oh they will be delayed," but that's irrelevant. You got your article which quotes it, GG.
The US projects an estimate of 2018. So does China. You insist 2020-2023. You asked for quotes, I gave you a few. Take your pick.
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MiG-29
Banned Idiot
my point is simple a rumour does not mean they have it now
The PAK-FA and J-20 were "rumours". We know it's in development because they say it's in development. Just like we knew the PAK-FA was in development and the J-20 was in development.
By your logic the PAK-FA will be stuck with the Al-41 because a better engine in development is only a "rumour".
Seriously???? The Chinese Air Force General He Wei Rong said, in a 2009 interview, that China's Fifth Generation fighter was in development and will be available in 8 or 9 years. If the J-20 is a Western definition technology demonstrator, or something China is not known to develop, what the heck will China use in 2017-2018? Buy the F-35 or T-50?
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
do not take me wrong a tech demostrator can be like the YF-22 or Rafale A, the time schedule can delayed and the final product change like the EAP was modified into the eurofighter we know today
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
i will suggest you something respect others, here we suppose to respect others, if you do not like the thread skipp it, but at least stop this typical useless way of giving no real information and bothering people, here i participate to exchange ideas, not to insult, be respectful please.
cn_habs
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There's already another thread for "guesswork": http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air...mics-comparison-f-22-some-guesswork-5603.html
I think you're trying to make a point, but for the life of me I can't see one.
We've had word from PLAAF air force general in 2009 that the 5th generation fighter would enter service around 2018.
Yes there might be delays.
No there might not be delays. Either way you can't immediately assume all schedules will be.
The way I see the above argument is this "J-20 is a tech demonstrator which can be changed" ----> therefore "it can be delayed partly due to the need to make these changes". The problem is that J-20 isn't exactly a tech demonstrator like the YF-22 and Rafale A.
I think we're all fairly well mannered on this forum. But when you start seeing the same thing repeated over and over for sixty or so pages it kinda gets on your nerves.
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Mig-29, do you consider the PAK FA a technology demonstrator? Because if you consider that a tech demo rather than a prototype, then I will concede that J-20 can also be considered a "technology demonstrator" even though both aircraft should be considered prototypes.
(if anything PAK FA seems to need a bit more work WRT stealth shaping).