Taiwanese navy under-rated

mobydog said:

Us_Armed_Forces,

Interesting, much of your post makes tactical sense...

However, I think ROC and CCP is, technically, still at civil war status. Therefore should war occurred, it's still legit.. China do not need to declare war again. What I think you mean is that China 'resume the conflict', as hostility is really a by-word in the case in an unfinished civil war.

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Well, atleast you are understanding my point. No need for flames, and thats pretty good.... See, I personally dont have anything against any asian country... I know and you know America has power, and we are a country that will battle if we have to.. What happend on 9-11 was something that we werent going to let just happend with no response.... Cause and effect, its plain nature.... Us Americans will not stand down on any country, reguardless who they are, and we show respect to all, to who show us respect....
Have a good day.

Us_Armed_Forces said:

Well, atleast you are understanding my point. No need for flames, and thats pretty good.... See, I personally dont have anything against any asian country... I know and you know America has power, and we are a country that will battle if we have to.. What happend on 9-11 was something that we werent going to let just happend with no response.... Cause and effect, its plain nature.... Us Americans will not stand down on any country, reguardless who they are, and we show respect to all, to who show us respect....
Have a good day.

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You do know there was a treaty between the US and ROC in 1979?



I can't find it specfically but I do know the US can only come to the aid of the ROC if the PRC tries to take the Taiwan in force. If the ROC declares independence the US cannot aid the ROC

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Us_Armed_Forces said:

Well, atleast you are understanding my point. No need for flames, and thats pretty good.... See, I personally dont have anything against any asian country... I know and you know America has power, and we are a country that will battle if we have to.. What happend on 9-11 was something that we werent going to let just happend with no response.... Cause and effect, its plain nature.... Us Americans will not stand down on any country, reguardless who they are, and we show respect to all, to who show us respect....
Have a good day.

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For the hell of it... I was being sarcastic when i said that your post makes tactical sense.

What happened to 9/11 was tragic.. but still questionable (WTC7).. and the response regarding Iraq is a farce and 100X more tragic.. you should have gone to Saudi Arabia instead... Cause and effect.. right.

Stay on topic please. The ROC navy is the subject of this thread.

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Anyone know the specs for the HF-3?

Sounds better than the YJ-62.....

The LaFayette needs the TC-2 ASAP, but if the air-TC-2s are short, these can't be much better and the limited (American? Made in America?) sensors are probably the limiting factor for both......

sumdud said:

Anyone know the specs for the HF-3?

Sounds better than the YJ-62.....

The LaFayette needs the TC-2 ASAP, but if the air-TC-2s are short, these can't be much better and the limited (American? Made in America?) sensors are probably the limiting factor for both......

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This is what i found at global security;

The Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology Second Institute is engaged in follow-up research and development projects, including preparatory research and development of the Hsiung Feng III anti-ship and/or land attack cruise missile weapon system, concerning which few details have been made public.

In January 2005 it was reported that Taiwan successfully test-fired the Hsiung Feng III supersonic anti-ship missile. Several Hsiung Feng III missiles were fired from southern Taiwan in the direction of the Pacific in December 2004 in the presence of Defense Minister Lee Jye. The missile has been under development for a decade and failed several early tests

The Hsiung Feng III has a range of 300 kilometers (187.5 miles), enough to hit China, 160 kilometers (100 miles) across the Taiwan Strait. The new missile is believed to outperform a similar weapon in China's arsenal, the Russian-made Sunburn.

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Not much info there. Not even the warhead payload or speed.

Ideally the La Fayette should've been purchased with French sensors and weapons suite, along with a large stockpile of munitions and (later) VLS upgrade. But the French wanted too much $$ and military sales to ROC is unlikely at this time, not to mention the bribary scandal resulted from the last sale...

At this point I'd prolly aim to upgrade the La Fayette. The most pressing short-coming the AAW. I'd replace that Sea Chaparral system with RAM launcher as the first priority. Since Aster VLS system is not an option, that space behin the main gun should be use for something else. Either another RAM launcher, 8-cel Mk 16 box launcher for Harpoon/ASROC missiles, or possibly a twin-arm standard missile launcher. I donno if a Mk 41 VLS system would fit, but if you could somehow squeeze even an 8-cel in there, you could use quad-packed ESSM missiles (8 * 4 = 32).

The only question is... would the US be willing to sell for installation on a French ship. If not, then maybe license one of the systems, import parts for assembly, and install/integrate yourself. As is, if PLAN-ROCN conflict ever breaks out, they're just sitting ducks to AShM's.

Since warships are full of stuff in general, I don't think there's much space behind the gun for a VLS. Actually those vessels look to me like all the weapons/launchers are in that superstructure, and most compartments are in the hull.
Furthermore, hose taiwanese La Fayettes are ASW ships in the first place and I don't think FFGs are big enough to cover all aspects of naval warfare, you should concentrate on one or two things. They can operate under the Kidd AAW umbrella. Though RAMs would be helpfull.

Here's a pic of Taiwan's Kang-Ding configuration:


It looks like they installed the Sea Chaparral SAM in the front and Phalanx in the rear above Helicopter deck.

I'd prolly want to replace both with 11-cel Sea RAM launchers. Or, if RAM can be integrated with existing ship sensors, install a 21-cel RAM launcher in the front and a 11-cel Sea RAM in aft. So if ship's main sensors are down, the aft Sea RAM can still use its own sensors in auto interception mode.

The La Fayette Frigate was designed for 8x4-cel A43 SYLVER VLS system in the front for Aster-15 RAM. The Aster-15 missiles are 310 kg each and the A-43 system is designed to hold missiles up to 4.3 meters in length. So we can prolly guess-estimate the space avail based on that?

adeptitus said:

At this point I'd prolly aim to upgrade the La Fayette. The most pressing short-coming the AAW.

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Absolutely, which is something that is always mentioned when they're discussed. The main problem is that it's impossible to know how the TC-2 upgrade is progressing. From what I've read the installation of the first system should be happening now, but it isn't "due" to be completed until sometime in 2008, so there's no reason to expect much news at the moment. If successful it was then planned to have a VLS launched version placed on the other ships subsequently.