Taiwanese navy under-rated

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The La Fayette Frigate was designed for 8x4-cel A43 SYLVER VLS system in the front for Aster-15 RAM. The Aster-15 missiles are 310 kg each and the A-43 system is designed to hold missiles up to 4.3 meters in length. So we can prolly guess-estimate the space avail based on that?

According to reports I've seen, there is room for a 16-cell launcher using the TC-2 modified system. Not that many I'll grant you, but if the system works it would still be a sizeable upgrade over what they have now!
 

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I hate to throw some gremlins in your proposed upgrade plans with the Kang-Ding class frigates, but there are some serious issues that are not as well known about the class.

There are serious software integration issues with the class (beyond what was reported in the press), stemming from the hodge-podge of both American, French, and the Taiwanese weapons and electronics onboard the ship. On top of that, you have a mini-hodge-podge with the American stuff, as it is a mix of old American weapons and newer American weapons. There is a certain amount of integration that can be done via the NATO standard, but that is only on a very limited basis. In short, the ship is having trouble talking with the various parts onboard.

Kit also varies between each of the Kang-Ding class frigates, as each ship is unique in terms of electronics; there is no sense of a common electronic system onboard any of these frigates. Whatever the Taiwanese were thinking when they finished installing the electronic systems onboard, I have no clue.

The Taiwanese furthermore are also having an extremely difficult time with getting their Kang-Ding class frigates to work with their American Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates and the rest of their fleet, which is mostly American-made warships, an issue, from my understanding, is yet to be resolved. NATO interoperability standards again can only solve some problems, but again, the various platforms are not well integrated with each other.

To fix all of this, they will pretty much have to do a very extensive overhaul, replacing most of the electronics onboard with a more unified kit. This will be a fairly major overhaul; the ships will be out of service for at least 2 years to do the rebuild, upgrade and refit, and for integration testing to work out the bugs that will invariably crop up. These ships are the odd-balls in the fleet, they don't work right as a platform, and they don't exactly fit in with the rest of the fleet. It is like the Americans trying to integrate a Kirov class cruiser in with a CVBG; its not going to work right completely, even with the top engineers you have to try to get everything to work. Add the fact that the ship your dealing with has a Frankenstein-inspired electronics kit, all I can say to an engineer trying to get this all to work right, good luck, you'll need it.
 
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I hate to throw some gremlins in your proposed upgrade plans with the Kang-Ding class frigates, but there are some serious issues that are not as well known about the class.

I can't speak for other people here, but I have read about the problems you've mentioned more than once.

If you were referring to my post, then what I mentioned are not my proposed upgrade plans - they're what is (supposedly) being worked on currently.
 
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Pointblank

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I can't speak for other people here, but I have read about the problems you've mentioned more than once.

If you were referring to my post, then what I mentioned are not my proposed upgrade plans - they're what is (supposedly) being worked on currently.

What I am saying is that you guys will have to envision a more extensive upgrade than what you guys originally planned. In short, you guys need to start from scratch from an empty hull, and add in radars, ECM suites, weapons, sonars and communications suites from scratch. Keep in mind that there are only two realistic sources for those sort of stuff: domestic and American.
 

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My thoughts on how the ROC should upgrade the Kang Ding's is pretty much the same as everyone elses. Despite their many criticisms, the boats have a huge potential.

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My upgrade suggestions, aside from electronic upgrades etc:
1. Remove the Sea-Chaperel and rear manned AAA mounts and replace with a RAM launcher forward and VLS for Enhanced Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) beside the hanger.
2. Replace 4 or the 8 HF-II SSM tubes with the bigger :), better:) , and heavier :(, HF-III so that she has a mixed SSM fit of 4 HF-IIs and 4 HF-IIIs.
3. Replace the casing on the excellent OTO-Melara 76mm gun with a stealthy cover (could be locally produced easily enough) and if politically possible, buy "smart" air-defence rounds for the gun.

The resulting ship would have an incredible short~point air-defence capability and in some respects out-match the PLAN Type-054As (BLASPHAMMMYYYYYYY!!!!!!!)
 
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