Taiwanese navy under-rated

Finn McCool

Finn McCool

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Well, since we are now talking about the ROCN and its capabilities. Both Iran and Iraq tried to harass oil shipping in the Persian Gulf in the 80s-look what the US did about that. Look up Operation Preying Mantis on Wikipedia.

And that is all I'm gonna say about that so I don't get in trouble.

Does anyone know about the status of the ROCN's Gearing class frigates-I thought all of them had been scrapped but now I see some sources that say that 7 of them were upgraded and are still in service. :confused:
 
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IDonT

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ROC Navy consists of ( major surface combatants only):

4 Kidd Class DDGs:
KIDD-class armaments include the New Threat Upgrade (NTU) anti-air warfare (AAW) system to improve their anti-air warfare performance against the technologically advanced threat expected into the 21st century, as well as two Mk 26 launchers for Standard surface-to-air missiles, and SQS-58 hull mounted active sonar, ASROC, eight Harpoon surface-to-surface missiles, two five-inch guns and hangar facilities for one Lamps Mk 1 helicopter.

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8 Perry Class Frigates
The Cheng Kung class frigates are based upon the U.S. Oliver Hazard Perry class and are currently serving in the Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy (ROCN). The frigates were produced under license by China Shipbuilding Corporation in Kaohsuing, Taiwan throughout the 1990s as part of the "Kuang Hua 1" project and served as the mainstay of the ROCN's theater air defense prior to the ROCN's acquisition of Keelung (Kidd) class destroyers in 2005.

8 Knox Class Frigates (ASW)

6 La Fayette Class Frigates (ASW)

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Scratch

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ROCN subs:
two Hai-Lung class (Dutch desings) commissioned Oct 87 and Apr '88
Dimensions, ft (m): 219.6×27.6×22 (66.9×8.4×6.7)
Speed, knots: 12 surfaced, 20 submerged
Diving depth, ft (m): 656 (200)
Weapons: 20 torpedoes; six 21" (533 mm) tubes
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two Guppy 2 class (US vessels) delivered in '73; now only used for training
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Still no advance regarding the production or procurement of follow-on vessels.
 
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adeptitus

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IDonT said:
6 La Fayette Class Frigates (ASW)
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Here's a good page on the ROCN Kang Ding Class FFG:
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IMO it has the basics to be a good ASW platform (sonar), but could use better ASW weapons than short-range torpedos. Though the Americans are prolly unwilling to export ASROC system to be installed on a French ship, hehe.
 
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kunmingren

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BLUEJACKET said:
I said: , not China. Please read closely!
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what i thought you meant was that Once Japan normalize its military, Taiwan will become very important to Japan, hence it will be willing to fight China for the control of the island.

Thats why said that Japan is better off make nice with China, may be even help China against Taiwan, that way it's sealane will be control by a friendly power.
 
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BLUEJACKET

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kunmingren said:
what i thought you meant was that Once Japan normalize its military, Taiwan will become very important to Japan, hence it will be willing to fight China for the control of the island.
Thats why said that Japan is better off make nice with China, may be even help China against Taiwan, that way it's sealane will be control by a friendly power.
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Have you ever been to Japan and Taiwan? I have and know them well. The Japanese have more amicable shared history with Taiwan than mainland, and the hawks there view the island as potential unsinkable aircraft carrier in China's hands that can be used to choke off SLOCs and dictate to them the rules of the game. As an independent nation that never been conquered/colonized except in the aftermath of WWII, they are very afraid of what can happen to them once China changes the sttus quo.
 
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kunmingren

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BLUEJACKET said:
Have you ever been to Japan and Taiwan? I have and know them well. The Japanese have more amicable shared history with Taiwan than mainland, and the hawks there view the island as potential unsinkable aircraft carrier in China's hands that can be used to choke off SLOCs and dictate to them the rules of the game. As an independent nation that never been conquered/colonized except in the aftermath of WWII, they are very afraid of what can happen to them once China changes the sttus quo.
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Yea, i agree with what you said. but i do think its unfortunate that both country still thinks like 19th century strategist. Honestly, its kinda of ridiculous that history, of all things can come between two country like that.
 
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Us_Armed_Forces

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Us_Armed Forces.

Get something right, U.S doesn't pick and choose.. We'll collide with whoever we have to collide with.. Plain and simple...... So don't think we're scared of China, Japan or anyone.. We got a large amount of combat championships under our belt..... No disrespect to anyone else's armed forces, just saying U.S isn't scared of anyone.

Good, I think topics is getting more interesting.
For the two options you listed, what if the China choose neither.
What if they chose not to invade, blocade, or airstrike?? What if they only use submarines to harass taiwanese ships only for purpose of interrupting the normal economic flow of taiwan.

I think US pick and choose their opponents;they thought they could win in yugoslavia, iraq and afgahn, so they decided to invade. But for iran, north korea, US doesn't to tangle /w that mess.

What make you think the US would launch airstike against mainland? What's execuse? because china declare war on taiwan, so US declare war on China?

For this hypotheitcal situation, china only adopting the Germany strategy of using U-boats to interrupt the taiwanese economic flow.

right now there's no chinese land invasion on taiwan or nothing like that.
so what's excuse for US to declare war on china???

SO you are saying US could send the seventh fleet to safe guard the taiwanese strait? so the seventh fleet sitting at the sea north taiwan strait, for how long? 1 yr, 2 yrs, 3 yrs, 10 yrs ?? are they are sit there as long the there's a war declare between china and tawain??

China could adopt a policy of declaring a war and decide not do anything for few yrs, or 10 yrs, nobody know when the timing of the invasion.
china say they going to invade taiwan but reserve the time of attack. There's absolutely no timetable for that.

It could let the pschological tension to wear down on taiwan.
So that's china tactics, what solution do you have ?
maybe china is letting the US forces waiting at the north taiwan strait doing nothing but waiting, waiting and waiting ,wasting their taxpayers' money and their time.

then US waited for one yr and decide to pull out of the taiwan strait. after sometimes, china then pronounce time to invade, and US bring back their carriers, once again, china say the invasion is cancelled for now ... on and off... cat and mice LOL.
China can't match up with US, but they could use something to make a fool out of US, and don't forget waste alot of their money and time.

I still have many many questions. it's very very funny if that scenario plays out
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mobydog

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Us_Armed_Forces,

Interesting, much of your post makes tactical sense...

However, I think ROC and CCP is, technically, still at civil war status. Therefore should war occurred, it's still legit.. China do not need to declare war again. What I think you mean is that China 'resume the conflict', as hostility is really a by-word in the case in an unfinished civil war.
 
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