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BLUEJACKET

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I think the US needs China more than it needs Taiwan, and Japan, once it becomes "
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", will need Taiwan more (for geostrategic/economic reasons) than it will need the US. Like I said earlier in another tread, Taiwan will be able to rely only on Japan, besides itself, for defense against the PRC, if it comes to confrontation. I would only add S.Korea in case their
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with PRC get a lot worse than they are now, for whatever reason.
 
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BLUEJACKET said:
Like I said earlier in another tread, Taiwan will be able to rely only on Japan, besides itself, for defense against the PRC, if it comes to confrontation.
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I would have to disagree with that. Even when Japan has revised its laws to allow collective self-defence, I still think the US would be more likely to help directly than Japan - provided there was no UDI from Taipei before an attack. Of course if we go 20-30 years down the line, who knows what things will be like then. But for now Taiwan should be able to expect the US to support it.
 
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lilzz

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Finn McCool said:
However, I don't see how it is possible that you can say that the US will not protect Taiwan because its population is Asian. ..

ha, my thread shows here. The question I have is how exactly, US going to protect Taiwan, if war is being declare by china aginst taiwan. let's be a bit more specific.

1)Sending US troops to Taiwan?
2)initiate preemptive air-strike against mainland?
3)giving taiwan weapons.

I could only forsee option 3 happening.
Can you expan a bit on your idea of protection for taiwan?
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lilzz said:
Finn McCool said:
However, I don't see how it is possible that you can say that the US will not protect Taiwan because its population is Asian. ..

ha, my thread shows here. The question I have is how exactly, US going to protect Taiwan, if war is being declare by china aginst taiwan. let's be a bit more specific.

1)Sending US troops to Taiwan?
2)initiate preemptive air-strike against mainland?
3)giving taiwan weapons.

I could only forsee option 3 happening.
Can you expan a bit on your idea of protection for taiwan?
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If the Chinese were to start an attack against Taiwan they would have two basic options. They could try to take the island quickly with a massive flurry of operations or they could blockade it and try to use their massive numerical advantage to their favor by wearing down the ROCN and ROCAF's supply of fuel, missles, ships and planes through a constant steady pounding, then attack once most air and sea opposition had been removed, probably just a few weeks after the start of the war. Overall Choice #2 is more attractive because it has a much higher chance of success. In fact, success is basically assured.

If you are going to intoduce US intervention into this situation, the PLA must use the first option because the USN and USAF have the ability to break any PLAN blockade of Taiwan and kick the PLAAF out of the skies over the island. That is why I believe that any attack on Taiwan would come hard and fast. Basically I think that US respose to an attack on Taiwan would revovle around helping the ROC forces and preventing the Chinese from reaching the island in the first place. SSNs would play a major role, and the US could use strategic bombers out of Guam and CONUS to mount cruise missle strikes against the PLAN and, if necessary mainland targets. When I say mainland targets I mean that in the most limited sense-areas close to the coast, probably almost totally in Fujian province that are really needed to mount the invasion. The ROCAF and the ROCAN with USN and USAF help would have to buy time for US carriers to arrive. The Kitty Hawk would get there quickly, but other CBGs would take longer. However, it could be done.
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BLUEJACKET said:
I think the US needs China more than it needs Taiwan, and Japan, once it becomes "
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", will need Taiwan more (for geostrategic/economic reasons) than it needs the US. Like I said earlier in another tread, Taiwan will be able to rely only on Japan, besides itself, for defense against the PRC, if it comes to confrontation. I would only add S.Korea in case their
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with PRC get a lot worse than they are now, for whatever reason.
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I dont understand why you think Japan needs Taiwan more than it needs China.
What do you think is a better situation for Japan:

1) a very Hostile China that constantly threatens to cut off Japan's shipping line in the South China Sea.
2) a very Hostile Taiwanese State that constantly threatens to cut off Japan's shipping line in the Taiwan straight

I just dont see why any japanese politician would prefer the first situation and actively and intentionally working to make that nightmare a reality.
 
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lilzz

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Good, I think topics is getting more interesting.
For the two options you listed, what if the China choose neither.
What if they chose not to invade, blocade, or airstrike?? What if they only use submarines to harass taiwanese ships only for purpose of interrupting the normal economic flow of taiwan.

I think US pick and choose their opponents;they thought they could win in yugoslavia, iraq and afgahn, so they decided to invade. But for iran, north korea, US doesn't to tangle /w that mess.

What make you think the US would launch airstike against mainland? What's execuse? because china declare war on taiwan, so US declare war on China?

For this hypotheitcal situation, china only adopting the Germany strategy of using U-boats to interrupt the taiwanese economic flow.

right now there's no chinese land invasion on taiwan or nothing like that.
so what's excuse for US to declare war on china???

SO you are saying US could send the seventh fleet to safe guard the taiwanese strait? so the seventh fleet sitting at the sea north taiwan strait, for how long? 1 yr, 2 yrs, 3 yrs, 10 yrs ?? are they are sit there as long the there's a war declare between china and tawain??

China could adopt a policy of declaring a war and decide not do anything for few yrs, or 10 yrs, nobody know when the timing of the invasion.
china say they going to invade taiwan but reserve the time of attack. There's absolutely no timetable for that.

It could let the pschological tension to wear down on taiwan.
So that's china tactics, what solution do you have ?
maybe china is letting the US forces waiting at the north taiwan strait doing nothing but waiting, waiting and waiting ,wasting their taxpayers' money and their time.

then US waited for one yr and decide to pull out of the taiwan strait. after sometimes, china then pronounce time to invade, and US bring back their carriers, once again, china say the invasion is cancelled for now ... on and off... cat and mice LOL.
China can't match up with US, but they could use something to make a fool out of US, and don't forget waste alot of their money and time.

I still have many many questions. it's very very funny if that scenario plays out.
 
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I believe if chinese subs would go after taiwanese ships, that is something the US will respond to. They will deploy SSNs and ASW vessels for sure and take out all PLAN ships comitting hostile actions against commercial ships. And if that continues I even could imagine strikes on naval bases.
 
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lilzz

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Scratch said:
I believe if chinese subs would go after taiwanese ships, that is something the US will respond to. They will deploy SSNs and ASW vessels for sure and take out all PLAN ships comitting hostile actions against commercial ships. And if that continues I even could imagine strikes on naval bases.
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how you going to take out all the chinese subs. Once they hit , then they run and going back to the base. the commercial ships don't even know who hit them. what,you going escort every single twainese ship by US forces? The ocean is very big, buddy.

attacking naval bases...uh??
so you are saying war has been officially declare by US against China in congress(the country is going to war against china)
because some taiwanese ships haven been sunk(and they think the chinese did it). LMAO
 
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The US don't have to declare war to make their forces act. In fact, the President of the US, as Commander in Chief and/or national command authority can order airstrikes if he feels the need to do so. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
Well if you say chinese subs are attacking anywhere on the world, well that would make it difficult, no question, but it's some time off, untill PLAN subs will operate in all the worlds seas. And the great shipping lanes are not that much disposed I think tracking subs down there is longsome but not doomed to fail.
Again if en expert knows better, correct me on that.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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You fellows neeed to turn the conversation back to the ROC Navy and it's capablities. Not war between the PRC and ROC.Knock it off!

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