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Overbom

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Phead128 said:
Chinese spent
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on Two Aircraft Carriers (Type 002 and 003) that very limited relevance in an amphibious invasion of Taiwan
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Who said that the carrier would have very limited relevance. Actually carriers, would be important for generating quick sorties from various locations. Certainly not very limited.


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Okay, say the true cost of an large-scale amphibious fleet is $10 Billion instead of $200 million....
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This is probably true if we are talking for annual costs. The costs that the people above said were most likely lifetime or including many years in them. But yes, even at 15 or 20 billion, China could still support such a fleet. However this also means that other programs might be cut to support such high costs.

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China doesn't want/expect to go to war with Taiwan,
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Most likely is that it doesn't expect war. Certainly the recent US moves have made China to reconsider some strategies, but the point is that China is most likely confident that it can keep the US out of its coast for a potential Taiwan move.

Most important is how taking over Taiwan would negatively affect China. So, better wait for the West to get some chip independence before considering to make any moves
 
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Phead128 said:
US spends more than that in a single day in Afghanistan. It's really unfathomable either how cheap China is... or how it really really doesn't want/expect to go to war with Taiwan.

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Okay, say the true cost of an large-scale amphibious fleet is $10 Billion instead of $200 million.... the Chinese spent
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on reclamation of Fiery Cross reef artificial island. Chinese spent
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on Two Aircraft Carriers (Type 002 and 003) that very limited relevance in an amphibious invasion of Taiwan. The only conclusion I can draw is.... China doesn't want/expect to go to war with Taiwan, since it's spending a bunch of money on sand castles and floating fortresses that have no value in invasion of Taiwan.
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Carriers are not of limited relevance. They can enforce a blockade from the eastern side of the island and deter third party interference.
 
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True, you can position aircraft carriers east of Taiwan to enforce a blocade, but they would have to operate a quite a distance from Taiwanese coastline.

As for deterrence against US, it would need CATOBAR with 5th gen fighters to deter the US navy. At it's present state, Chinese carriers are only good at dominating second-rate nations. Most of Taiwan is within sortie range of PLAAF, even the eastern coast of Taiwan right?
 
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Phead128 said:
True, you can position aircraft carriers east of Taiwan to enforce a blocade, but they would have to operate a quite a distance from Taiwanese coastline.

As for deterrence against US, it would need CATOBAR with 5th gen fighters to deter the US navy. At it's present state, Chinese carriers are only good at dominating second-rate nations. Most of Taiwan is within sortie range of PLAAF, even the eastern coast of Taiwan right?
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Type 003.
 
Xizor

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Phead128 said:
I hope J-35 and Type 003 with EMALs can be brought online as soon as possible.
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Phead128 said:
True, you can position aircraft carriers east of Taiwan to enforce a blocade, but they would have to operate a quite a distance from Taiwanese coastline.

As for deterrence against US, it would need CATOBAR with 5th gen fighters to deter the US navy. At it's present state, Chinese carriers are only good at dominating second-rate nations. Most of Taiwan is within sortie range of PLAAF, even the eastern coast of Taiwan right?
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And I thought a blockade can be enforced using short range Ballistic and cruise missiles. No cargo ships or aircrafts will be ready to dock at Taiwan given these threats.

Or US Naval Fleet for that matter. They would expend their Aegis ABM missiles within hours and then what? China can keep lobbing cheap missiles and UCAVs to the empty ocean east of Taiwan. Am I wrong here?
 
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