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The Wan Chieng won't have a production run outside of a couple hundred, max (for operational and budgetary reasons), so it'll be a tactical weapon to employ against a couple of PLAAF bases at most to take those runways out for a day or two once the conflict gets underway, in support of some wider objective other than "knock out the J-10s on the ground" (ROCAF doesn't have the fighter numbers to take on the losses that would come from persistently attacking many PLAAF bases).
 

Zetageist

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How would you go about a potential offense against the mainland? Mounting a preemptive strike on a PLA airbase? How would you ever think any offense against the mainland could ever be successful? They couldn't do it in the 50's and 60's and they certainly cannot do it today. The best Taiwan could hope for is sympathy from the west could discourage the mainland from attacking them in the first place.

I agree with you all. The impression I got from reading 'Taiwan’s Ten Thousand Double-Edged Swords | East Asia Forum' is that the author was preaching defensive weapons only. Even Israel, armed with the most dense (per sq km) missile defense system in the world (Taiwan is 2nd), can't prevent all the unsophisticated inaccurate scud missiles et like from reaching populated or relevant Israel targets. Not to mention PLA missiles are growing to be more accurate by the days.

I meant by the offensive is:
Mao Zedong opined that "the only real defense is active defense", meaning defense for the purpose of counter-attacking and taking the offensive.[1] Often success rests on destroying the enemy's ability to attack. This principle is paralleled in the writings of Machiavelli and Sun Tzu.[2]

Unlike past few CCP leaderships, the current CCP leader Xi is more assertive and aggressive in dealing with China 'core interests' by setting up ADIZ in East China Sea and building artificial islands in SCS. If not for the recent divisions and crack down within CCP's own ranks, Xi would have forcing the hands in dealing with Taiwan issue by now. With all defensive and no counter-attacking abilities, this will more likely to prompt PLA and CCP leaderships in making miscalculation of pre-emptive coercive action against the island.

On the other hand, probably due to pressures from both U.S. and China, Taiwan military is already in reducing production of offensive weapons (Wan Chien cluster bombs, Hsiung Feng-2E cruise missiles, and medium-range missiles with a range of more than 1,000 kilometers) according to some Taiwanese media:
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Blitzo

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The misunderstanding is this...the "Ten Thousand Swords missile" itself is a defensive weapon system in any context against the mainland

It would only be used as a means for the ROC to defend itself. It is really meant to be a deterrent, to let the PRC know that the ROC has the means of making an operation against them prohibitively expensive.

That is the real meaning of that system in any context of a cross strait engagement...which we all hope an pray never happens.

Heh, well Jeff, all nations believe their own weapons are defensive :p
Offense and defense don't have any particular defining boundary between them


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anyway, the author of that article is right in the sense that enhanced Taiwanese strike capability may induce PLAAF to upgrade their own surveillance capabilities, their air and missile defence, as well as streamlining their own strike capability to shut down airbases before any fighters can get airborne in the first place.
Those are things any military will seek to improve on over time, but potential ROCAF strike capability may simply accelerate those developments.

However I think it is also prudent for ROCAF to try and aim for some level of offensive air power even if it may not be very successful once the brown stuff hits the fan. If ROCAF had these strike capabilities twenty years ago, then it would be a much more meaningful force against the PLA. But now... a little less so.
 
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Zetageist

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anyway, the author of that article is right in the sense that enhanced Taiwanese strike capability may induce PLAAF to upgrade their own surveillance capabilities, their air and missile defence, as well as streamlining their own strike capability to shut down airbases before any fighters can get airborne in the first place.
Those are things any military will seek to improve on over time, but potential ROCAF strike capability may simply accelerate those developments.

By knowing Taiwan has some offensive capabilities, PLA would have to upgrade their air and missile defense thereby divert some of their offensive resource and military budget to defensive means. Of course, the cheapest and most effective deterrent would be nuclear weapons, but those days of Taiwan developing nuclear weapons were long gone. Decades ago, while KMT government was researching on nuclear weapons, some anti-KMT Taiwanese snitch informed the U.S. government and had the whole program shut down.

Recently, according to a TV talk show (I know it is entertainment news), a 300 men team from AIT (American Institute in Taiwan) visited Taiwan's nuclear power I or II, and also visited the nuclear waste storage facility on Orchid Island (Lanyu). Some suggested U.S. government was checking to see if Taiwan were secretly developing nuclear weapons, while some said it was to check to see if Taiwan's nuclear plant were adequate in maintaining electrical power when facing a naval blockade, something like that.
 

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By knowing Taiwan has some offensive capabilities, PLA would have to upgrade their air and missile defense thereby divert some of their offensive resource and military budget to defensive means. Of course, the cheapest and most effective deterrent would be nuclear weapons, but those days of Taiwan developing nuclear weapons were long gone. Decades ago, while KMT government was researching nuclear weapons, some anti-KMT Taiwanese snitch informed the U.S. government and had the whole program shut down.

Recently, according to a TV talk show (I know it is entertainment news), a 300 men team from AIT (American Institute in Taiwan) visited Taiwan's nuclear power I or II, and also visited the nuclear waste storage facility on Orchid Island (Lanyu). Some suggested U.S. government was checking to see if Taiwan were secretly developing nuclear weapons, while some said it was to check to see if Taiwan's nuclear plant is adequate in maintaining electrical power when facing a naval blockade, something like that.


Well, the PLA would have requirements to upgrade their air and missile defense with or without ROCAF having wan chien missiles, given they face a much bigger challenge in potential US air and cruise missile attacks anyway. So it probably doesn't divert much resources in that sense, though it may accelerate development air defence in areas directly facing the taiwan strait.
Really, this development of their missile isn't a new capability, it's just a qualitative improvement of a threat that the PLA would have considered for quite a few decades. For years, the PLA always had an inferior air force, so they knew chances of facing ROCAF air attack would have been possible. The balance has shifted so that the PLA now has the capacity to survey the TW strait with all kinds of ground based and air based radar with advanced air defense and offensive air capabilities, you really can't ask for any major leap behind what they already have, apart from continuing to upgrade radars, command/control, upgrading SAMs, increasing response time for airbases and interceptors. Maybe increase the number and flexibility of AEWC and other force multipliers. But these are all things the PLA would be interested in doing nationwide regardless if ROCAF had a stand off air launched missile or not.

And if TW was on the verge of acquiring nukes it would basically mean war. I don't think anyone in their right mind would think that China would allow a nuclear armed Taiwan on its doorstep.
 

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Taiwan’s Force Modernization: The American Side
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China slams sale of six MCMVs to Taiwan
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•China has protested at the inclusion of foreign components and systems in six MCMVs to be built for RoCN
•The MCMVs will likely form a key component of Taiwan's defence against China's possible use of increasingly sophisticated naval mines, including the EM-53 'smart mine'

The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has criticised the involvement of several foreign companies in the sale of six mine countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) to the Republic of China Navy (RoCN).

An IHS Jane's report from Euronaval on 31 October 2014 carried a confirmation from Lockheed Martin Mission Systems and Training that the company will be part of a team that will be led by Taiwanese shipyard Ching Fu Shipbuilding to deliver six 52 m, 700-ton MCMVs to the RoCN, the first of which will be delivered by the end of 2019.


Taiwan starts trials of 'carrier killer' corvette
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Taiwan's Republic of China Navy (RoCN) began sea trials of an indigenously designed twin-hull missile corvette dubbed a 'carrier killer' on 27 October, according to naval sources as cited by local media.

The 500-tonne vessel, Tuo Jiang (618), is said to have been towed from Lung Teh Shipbuilding's facilities in Yilan county to waters south of Guishan Island, where it conducted engine trials at various speeds.

Tuo Jiang 's wave-piercing catamaran hull form enables it to attain a maximum speed of 38 kt and a standard range of 2,000 n miles. The 60 m by 14 m corvette features a low radar cross-section (RCS) design and can accommodate a crew of 41.

Besides carrying eight Hsiung Feng II (HF-2) and eight ramjet-powered Hsiung Feng III (HF-3) anti-ship missiles, Tuo Jiang is also reported to be armed with an Otobreda 76 mm gun, four 12.7 mm machine guns for close-range ship defence and a Mk 15 Phalanx close-in weapon system (CIWS) to defeat incoming projectiles and hostile aircraft.

Upon completion of its sea trials, the corvette will be fitted with anti-ship missile systems and is expected to be put on a nine-month tactical testing phase by the RoCN. Tuo Jiang is scheduled to enter service in the first half of 2015.

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In 2011, the Taiwanese government approved a TWD24.98 billion (USD820 million) budget to acquire up to 12 new missile corvettes under the Ministry of National Defense's (MND's) Hsun Hai (Swift Sea) programme. Hsun Hai was established after legislators argued that the country could not continue to rely on large ships such as the RoCN's Keelung (Kidd)-class destroyers.

The 1970s-era warships, displacing almost 10,000 tonnes at full load, are said to be unsuitable for defending the Taiwan Strait in light of new weapons and swifter naval platforms being acquired by China.

Analysts argue that the move to smaller, faster missile-armed craft would provide Taiwan with an asymmetric edge during a possible invasion by the mainland. In a 2012 paper titled 'Asymmetric Options for Taiwan's Defense' the US Naval War College's Professor William Murray argued that platforms such as the Tuo Jiang class would survive Chinese attacks "by virtue of mobility, redundancy, hardening, deception, and large inventories made possibly by low relative costs".

The HF-3 anti-ship missile, which will equip the Tuo Jiang class, is one such system that, in Murray's words, could "offset much of China's force modernisation by rendering specific classes of PRC ships and aircraft vulnerable". Such capabilities have a number of strategic effects, such as providing a form of deterrence by raising the risk of an invasion, allowing Taiwan to resist such an invasion for longer, and giving the United States time to marshall its forces in support of the island.
 
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cptplt

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I doubt one can "hide" an airfield or airbase needed for modern fighter jets in a mountain range given the mass of machinery and people to not only build the base, but also the maintain logistics for it.

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Isn't Hualien AB literally burrowed into tunnels in the mountains??? Instead of the usual HAS and revetments they have the planes go into tunnels.


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Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Corp., Fort Worth, Texas, has been awarded a $271,815,608 firm-fixed-price modification (P00006) to previously awarded contract FA8615-12-C-6016 to provide the government of Taiwan with installation of 142 aircraft kits to upgrade their fleet of F-16 aircraft. Work will be performed in Taiwan, and is expected to be completed by May 31, 2022. This contract is 100-percent foreign military sales. This award is the result of a sole-source acquisition. Air Force Life Cycle Management Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (FA8615-12-C-6016).

Looks like the block 20 MLU is proceeding. Interesting that the Koreans who chose BAe may now have to ditch that contract as the USAF has made BAe increase the price!
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cptplt

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I would like to give the Taiwanese the benefit of the doubt and say that their pilots are still better trained than the Chinese ones for now. Even if that is true then that will be an advantage that is eroding away fast year by year.


Given that the Taiwanese CONUS F16 unit, the 21st FS at Luke, has since 1997 routinely kicked the backends of active duty USAF, USN/MC pilots in training exercises (even when using AIM7 and AIM 9L vs AIM120/9X in the early years) and walked off with numerous awards, for the first few years they had a complete run on winning the Luke Award for more years in a row than anyone can remember, I think its fair to say that the ROCAF, at least for its "Top Gun" cadre are probably better trained than the PLAAF. Or the USAF are in real trouble!
 

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Isn't Hualien AB literally burrowed into tunnels in the mountains??? Instead of the usual HAS and revetments they have the planes go into tunnels.

Even the most dug in airbase needs an opening to fly out of (and to have logistics supplied). On the one hand, if they're well hidden then you'll be able to operate there with some degree of confidence, but the moment they're discovered and an anti runway smart bomb, cruise missile or SRBM is thrown at the opening, then your mountain airbase will be more or less inoperable until it's repaired.
And of course, having such an important point failure makes it much easier to manage a longer duration mission kill. i.e.: one can throw multiple munitions at few critical openings to take them out of action for longer or even leave that particular portion of airstrip compltely unrepairable, , rather than distributing multiple munitions at multiple points on an airstrip where one only has to patch up a couple of lightly damaged intersections on the airstrip.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Adding to Blitz, being a confined space the explosive power of a weapon detonated inside in magnified and threats from fire and toxic gasses are also higher. This means that if a... Red were to target the underground structures with high explosives and said weapons managed to enter the structure the explosive pressure would kill far more via being bounced off reinforced walls and tunnels, fire would also react in more lethal manor as super heated toxic gasses would be insulated and smoke could build up making a toxic threat to survivors beyond simply the directly damaged structures. Ventilation and fire control systems may be able to counter the latter two as well as isolation protocols like guillotine doors.
 
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