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Jeff Head

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Dang, that is like a Super AOE!

Large ladning deck and room in the hanger for three medium helos! And the armament...

1x 76mm OTO Melara compact main gun
2x 20mm Phalanx CIWS
2x 35mm Rheinmetall Millenium guns
2x 30mm cannons turrets

That is very good for an AOE...I wish our AOEs were strill armed like they used to be. Also, it sounds like with the three helos and that armament that they envision perhaps other uses for the vessel when necessary.

...and she is good looking too!


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Janiz

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...and she is good looking too!
Indeed, it looks great. In terms of design and arragement on the deck it's only updated version of the earlier one from the 90's with added 'stealth' features to look up to date. Looks like Taiwanese engineers take similar approach to the Japanese - it has to work well and it has to look great as well! Probably it has got something to do with living on the islands ;)
 
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navyreco

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That is very good for an AOE...I wish our AOEs were strill armed like they used to be. Also, it sounds like with the three helos and that armament that they envision perhaps other uses for the vessel when necessary.

Not going off topic here, but aren't the Supply class fitted with Phalanx and ESSM launchers (8x canister like on some carriers) ?
 

FORBIN

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Actually no combat support ships get missiles before Soviet Berezina had SA-N-4 and guns definitely support ships most heavily armed and US especially Sacramento fast combat supports ships predecessor Supply her also had one Sea Sparrow in more this 2 class are the only fast combat supports ships ever built can move to 25 kn almost as combat ships, unusual.

Supply Ciws removed when transferred to MSC about 10 years ago.

Soviet had in general ships heavily armed because had many/big weapons for specific missions, US different more miniaturized and polyvalent, see a Slava and a Virginia...


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shen

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Taiwan wonder if the US will help if Vietnam attack Taiping Island.

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The enemy could be Chinese or Vietnamese. But the detente between Taiwan and China and Beijing's wish to collaborate with Taipei in safeguarding their common interests in the South China Sea make it next to impossible for the People's Liberation Army to attack Taiping. Of course, it would be a different story if the Democratic Progressive Party clawed back to power in 2016. The opposition insists that Taiping belongs to Taiwan, not the Republic of China, and does not want to accept the Consensus of 1992, a modus vivendi based on the one-China principle with different interpretations under which relations across the Taiwan Strait have been rapidly improved over the past six years.

So the enemy would have to be the Vietnamese, rather than the Filipinos who have few means to attack a defended island larger than Pagasa. Could the small Coast Guard garrison on Taiping hold off the Vietnamese, who fought the Chinese invasion successfully in 1979? The island far away from Taiwan is indefensible. Could a marine battalion drive out the Vietnamese after they occupied Taiping? Unlikely, if not altogether impossible, without outside help.

Would Uncle Sam come to Taiwan's rescue? He wants Taiwan to give up its U-shaped or 12-dashed line claim in the South China Sea. The United States could restrain the Philippines from attacking Taiping but would never help defend the island just as it wouldn't in a case of Taiwan being attacked from across the strait. Washington would only pay lip service as help if the People's Liberation Army were in a one-in-a-million chance to invade Taiwan, but couldn't and wouldn't persuade Vietnam to give up its claim to Taiping.

The only help Taiwan can hope to have when Taiping is under Vietnamese attack is from China, which claims sovereignty over the South China Sea based on the same U-shaped line.
 

Jeff Head

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Not going off topic here, but aren't the Supply class fitted with Phalanx and ESSM launchers (8x canister like on some carriers) ?
The Supply Class used to...but not any more.

Theyy, like all US AOE and support vessels, are now a part of the Military Sea Lift Command and are no longer designated "USS" ships, but "USNS". They are manned by a mixed merchant marine crew and a smaller US Navy detachment usually for communications, and other purely technical naval matters.

As such, all of their weapons systems were removed.

I believe this was a big mistake personally, but it happened quite some time ago.
 

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Taiwan wonder if the US will help if Vietnam attack Taiping Island.

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After current mass reclamation of reefs by China, Itu Aba (Taiping) Island became less significant to China but more important to the United States. The Itu Aba Island would be useful to China only if 'Nine-Dash Line' were overthrown, and since Itu Aba Island's EEZ probably cover all Chinese occupied reefs in Spratlys, it would still make Chinese reclamation of reefs legit under 'One China'.

During the recent April 2014 low key Taiwanese naval exercise to retake Itu Aba Island simulation, Taiwanese military was asked by the media regarding what would it take to retake the island if Vietnam has captured the island. The answer was that it would take about half of all Taiwanese naval power to retake this 0.49 sq km island since Taiwanese navy would not have the support of its air force due to the great distance from Taiwan and Itu Aba Island is within the strike distance of Vietnamese Su-27s and possibly have to deal with its newly acquired Russian submarines. The French built Mistral-class amphibious assault ships would be an interesting addition to ROCN to operate in SCS if the French didn't want to deliver them to Russia, and since Taiwanese army has many U.S. made helicopters, a heli-carrier would be useful.

In 2011, when Hilary Clinton was still Secretary of State, she rushed to Beijing and had a meeting with PRC leaders discussing what would China do if Vietnam were to attack Itu Aba Island, and expected response was China would treat Itu Aba Island as one of its own. So popular belief is if Vietnam were to invade Itu Aba Island, China would have the excuse to take Itu Aba Island and attack all other Vietnamese occupied Spratly islands. Just like the Johnson South Reef skirmish of 1988, where resulted 70 Vietnamese soldiers death and China gained 6-7 reefs, including the upmost important future PLA base in Spratlys, Fiery Cross Reef. In the event of Chinese PLA intervention after Vietnam invaded Itu Aba Island: Will China return Itu Aba Island back to Taiwanese control after kicking Vietnamese off the island?

Both Itu Aba Island and Pratas (Tungsha) Island are administered by Taiwan (ROC). According to Taiwanese media, they were protected by U.S. military during the Cold War era for 60+ years. U.S. actually encourged Taiwan to occupy these 2 islands and use them as observation posts and share their intelligences with U.S. military. After the 2001 incident of U.S. EP-3 plane collided with PLAN J-8 fighter and forced landing in Hainan Island, U.S. asked the then Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian to build a 1,200 meter long runway on Itu Aba Island and trained ROC Navy scuba divers in coordinated sea rescue just in case U.S. plane crashes in SCS again. Now according to PRC media, U.S. once again asked Taiwan to build a naval port big enough to accommodate 3,000-tonne naval frigates and coastguard cutters while improvements are being made to the 1,200-metre (3,940-foot) long runway for its Hercules C-130 transport planes. So that is why we only hear Vietnam crying foul regarding Taiwan building port on Itu Aba Island and not from China nor the U.S.

Both Itu Aba Island and Pratas Island were occupied by the Japanese during WWII. "The Japanese Navy utilized Pratas Island as a weather station and listening outpost until May 29, 1945 when a landing party consisting of Australian commandos and US naval personnel from the submarine USS Bluegill raised the US flag and declared the island as a United States territory and named it Bluegill Island." After the war, it was restored to ROC. Pratas Island is strategically situated 340 kilometers south east of Hong Kong at the entrance to Taiwan Strait and Luzon Strait. I wonder if it was so strategically important to China, why didn't China invade it just like Paracel Islands. Probably because it once was U.S. territory, and according to international military laws, U.S. could militarily intervene. Currently Pratas Island is Taiwan's first marine national park. Now according to recent SCS maps, Pratas Island is sitting on a rich patch of gas and oil fields and there are already quite a few PRC oil rigs near Pratas Island:

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FORBIN

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Now Taiwan inferior quantitatively and numerically compared to China, in more without strategic depth, want use missiles for compensate it, many new ssm HF-III, CM HF-IIE, SAM Tien Kung II/III, Patriot Pac-3.
Video with TK-III in ground VLS, Patriot and HF-III
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Skywatcher

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Now Taiwan inferior quantitatively and numerically compared to China, in more without strategic depth, want use missiles for compensate it, many new ssm HF-III, CM HF-IIE, SAM Tien Kung II/III, Patriot Pac-3.
Video with TK-III in ground VLS, Patriot and HF-III
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The cruise missiles will be more effective than the SAMs, but they'll have to come up against an increasing array of sophisticated Chinese defenses (we'll probably see anti-CM lasers on land, sea and air in PLA service 5-10 years from now).
 
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