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Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Only 240° coverage hmmmmm, what if China swirls around the radar and attack it from its blind spot? China is working on destroyers and subs with LACM. This is a huge intelligence asset for Taiwan and the US but i don't know how effective this will be during war.
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This will be very effective for the ROC. It is designed to give them early warning for ballistic missiles, which travel very quickly...launched particularly from China or North Korea. For that, it fills the bill very, very well.

If the Chinese were to move a SSBN to the blinf spot and launch from only a few milws off shore, he ROC would not have any early warniong in any case that would do them any good because at that range it would arrive to quickly and would likely be nuclear. Otherwise, they will be launching much slower cruise missiles from the blind spot to "this" radar, but certainly not to other radars perfectly capable of detecting them.

For LACMs they already have coverage from their E-2C Hawkeyes which regularly patrol, and from other radars already on the mountain tops.

LACMs move slowly, and are close to the water. With those other radars, they are likely to get a lot more warning (because of the slow speed) than what they will get from this radar for mainland launched ballistic missiles (perhaps 10-15 minites).

But that early warning can make a huge difference in terms of their anti-ballistic missiles being able to target and fire at the incoming missiles in an effort to destroy as many as possible.

jobjed said:
I was pretty impressed with this whole thing until I reached the line "Raytheon build". Just another foreign system sold to the highest bidder, nothing impressive about this whole thing at all.
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If you were impressed with it when reading about it, it was because of its capabilities and design, and in that case, it remains impressive no matter who built it.

The ROC came up with the design parameteres and they found a partner in the free market who could construct the technology they were seeking...and when they did not have some key components and capabilities themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

They now have a critical capability that they otherwise would not have had. And they were the innovators and financeers, so in truth, it is "theirs," and does not represent some overt control Raytheon or anyone else has over the ROC. It represents a new capability the ROC has, that they came up with, and that they helped design and purchase.
 
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ahadicow

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Jeff Head said:
This will be very effective for the ROC. It is designed to give them early warning for ballistic missiles, which travel very quickly...launched particularly from China or North Korea. For that, it fills the bill very, very well.

If the Chinese were to move a SSBN to the blinf spot and launch from only a few milws off shore, he ROC would not have any early warniong in any case that would do them any good because at that range it would arrive to quickly and would likely be nuclear. Otherwise, they will be launching much slower cruise missiles from the blind spot to "this" radar, but certainly not to other radars perfectly capable of detecting them.

For LACMs they already have coverage from their E-2C Hawkeyes which regularly patrol, and from other radars already on the mountain tops.

LACMs move slowly, and are close to the water. With those other radars, they are likely to get a lot more warning (because of the slow speed) than what they will get from this radar for mainland launched ballistic missiles (perhaps 10-15 minites).

But that early warning can make a huge difference in terms of their anti-ballistic missiles being able to target and fire at the incoming missiles in an effort to destroy as many as possible.

They now have a critical capability that they otherwise would not have had. And they were the innovators and financeers, so in truth, it is "theirs," and does not represent some overt control Raytheon or anyone else has over the ROC. It represents a new capability the ROC has, that they came up with, and that they helped design and purchase.
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If PRC decide to smoke Taiwan with ballistic and cruise missles, this radar really wouldn't provide much of a help. First of all, with the speed of ballistic missles, the little distance between Taiwan and the Chinese mainland isn't worth the effort for any radar. China wouldn't shoot ICBM from its northwest corner all the way to Taiwan, it certainly would shoot from the closeset Fujian province with short and mid range missles that that the fastest would reach Taiwan in matter of no more than three minutes and any one of those missles could wipe out this huge radar. Second, even if there is meanful and let's say, sufficient pre-warning, the handful of Taiwan's Patroit Pac-2 just doesn't have the accuracy times volume to intercept them all. regardless, If there would ever be such a "suprise attack" by PRC, it would surely rely on the speed and quantity of missles to overwhelm Taiwan's defesne. Range was never the problem, so the range provided by this radar is meaningless.

Despite the PR effort from Taiwan politicans, It's rather obvious the service this Radar provides was for United States. It covers mainland China from angles unreachable from South Korea or Japan and the prewarning offered by this radar, instead of making a difference for Taiwan, really close a huge gap for Americans and Japanese. U.S. had long expressed its intention to set up long range radar on the island but was rejected by the previous KMT leaders. Now not only the rader was built, it was built at Taiwan's cost and gave profit to american company... in the word of Taiwan's own politician "it's like you pay for the privilege of safeguarding someone else's door".
 
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delft

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China can close down Taiwan without bombarding or invading the island. The radar is not relevant to Taiwan except that it cost a lot of money.
 
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mr.bean

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"If you were impressed with it when reading about it, it was because of its capabilities and design, and in that case, it remains impressive no matter who built it.

The ROC came up with the design parameteres and they found a partner in the free market who could construct the technology they were seeking...and when they did not have some key components and capabilities themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

They now have a critical capability that they otherwise would not have had. And they were the innovators and financeers, so in truth, it is "theirs," and does not represent some overt control Raytheon or anyone else has over the ROC. It represents a new capability the ROC has, that they came up with, and that they helped design and purchase." quote by Jeff Head


I think what he mean't was that it would be impressive if Taiwan had the capabilities to build such a system themselves but they didn't. In this case they just bought it from the US. It's like a Ferrari sports car, anyone who has enough money can buy one and learn how to drive it well by taking a high performance driving course. But it's the Italians who are the only one's that can design and build them. This actually shows how weak Taiwan's defence industry is when they can't build much of their nessasary equipment and systems.
 
Mr T

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ahadicow said:
the handful of Taiwan's Patroit Pac-2 just doesn't have the accuracy times volume to intercept them all.
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1. Taiwan doesn't have to shoot down every Chinese missile, it just has to thin the number over key targets.
2. You forgot about the Patriot 3s on order (I don't think anyone's going to suggest there will be a war tomorrow).
 
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Franklin

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Article published on 28 april 2011

Taiwan missile can hit Beijing: ex-minister

A former minister of national defense recently revealed in his memoir published recently that Taiwan-made intermediate-range cruise missile can reach as far as some Chinese cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Shenyang and Chengdu, the Chinese-language United Daily News reported yesterday.

Tsai Ming-hsien, the last national defense minister in the former President Chen Shui-bian's administration, said in his memoir titled “Tsai Ming-hsien and National Defense” that the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology (CIST) under the Ministry of National Defense did carry out a trial launch of an intermediate-range ballistic missile right before the 2008 presidential race, with the range of up to 2,000 kilometers.

This marked the first time for an off-duty official to confirm the research and development of ballistic missiles by the military sector.

Tsai's memoir stated that the trial launch of the ballistic missile was very likely to be detected by U.S. spy satellites. Just one week later, Stephen Young, then director of the American Institute in Taiwan (AIT), visited the Ministry of National Defense and asked Tsai “Did you fire a ballistic missile last week?” Tsai answered,” We did launch the missile, but still at a trial stage,” and also promised that Taiwan wouldn't take the initiative to attack China and would inform the U.S. of any military action it would take.

Tsai was sworn in as the minister of national defense on Feb. 23, 2008, three months before Chen Shui-bian ended his second presidential term on May 20, 2008. Prior to this, Tsai served as a legislator, deputy representative to the U.S., deputy secretary general of the National Security Council, and deputy minister of national defense.

Tsai also noted in his book that during his three-month term as minister of national defense, he accompanied ex-President Chen Shui-bian to make more than 10 inspection tours of military operations, including seeing the launch of an intermediate ballistic missile.

He elaborated that one minute after the ballistic missile was fired, it swiftly dashed through the atmosphere toward the outer sky. CIST officials asked ex-President Chen whether or not to allow the missile to fly further beyond the general range for intermediate ballistic missiles, and Chen then instructed CIST officials in charge to allow the missile to fly to its target range. Chen was then quite satisfied with the performance of the trial launch, according to Tsai.

The former minister of national defense also mentioned tight tension seen across the Taiwan Strait before the presidential race was held on March 22, 2008, saying that all the intelligence garnered by the U.S. and Taiwan showed that the Guangzhou and Nanjing military zones were gearing up for military operations against Taiwan in case Frank Hsieh, the presidential election candidate of the Democratic Progressive Party, won the election and two related national referenda were passed.

In response, spokesman Lo Shao-ho of the Ministry of National Defense, said that they didn't know beforehand that former minister Tsai had planned to publish his memoir.

Lawmaker Lin Yu-fang of the ruling Kuomintang said that Tsai should inform, in advance, the military sector of his intention to reveal any military secret in his memoir.
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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I just read a news report from cnn of all places indicating the possibility of a nuclear south korea in response to there issues with the north. he korea becomes two nuclear states japan would likely fallow suit and I would bet dollars to donuts taiwan would be packing a nuclear options some where along the line.
 
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no_name

Colonel
But I think Taiwan going nuclear will be a huge no-no with mainland. If they tries to go nuclear I expect China to try a military takeover before they have a functioning device otherwise they may kiss goodbye to possible reunification in the near future under terms that are acceptable to the mainland. Also I don't think the US would allow a nuclear Japan. Providing umbrella protection is another thing.

This means the buck has to stop with South Korea, since the North is already nuclear. So need to see how this play out between N/S K, China and the US.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Given the current American administration I an not sure the US nuclear umbrella concept is a possible option at all and I an American. So for Japan or Taiwan the heat is on and if South Korea is feeling the need to nuke that means a Asian arms race is on. The PRC would likely protest but in reality would it really force the invasion? I dont think so. It would sure as hell ratchet up tensions and China might be forced to chill with some of the nationalism in the east China sea.
 
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