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Equation

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Re: US think tank head urges Taiwan to cut military power against China

The Iraqis had some hardened shelters...basically aircraft shelters made of very thick concrete.

Such structures were relatively easy for the US to target and penetrate. There were also some underground facilities...but they were basically on ralatively flat terrain and dug in underground...and a lot of those were C&C type facilities. The US was successful in penetrating those too...most often with air launched penetrators. In order to assure that type of attack you have to enjoy air dominance , which the US did.

But that is a lot different than having a full support facility inside a mountain of granite with multiple entrances, and where some of those entrances are in very narrow and twising valleys making the flight profuile very difficult.

In addition, it is not clear that that PLAAF will achieve air dominance over Taiwan very quickly. The ROCAF has been planning for this in great detail for decades and has all sorts of contingencies from these very hardened facilities in mountains to literally hundreds or even thousands of various roadways set up to receive aircraft and support them outside of normal air bases.

Anyhow, as you say, hopefully we will never have to find out.


True, but the longer ROCAF stays out of action the more disadvantages they'll be at. Remember the PLA forces will continue to arrive in huge numbers 24/7 as they took control of the beach landings and the entire island itself even the "capital" city of Taipei. Not to mention with PLA special forces to recon and searching the area for any "enemy" activities in mountains and rural areas. Taiwan is only the size of New Jersey, it's not to big or difficult to find opposition forces to be hiding in mountains and hills with China's advance intel satellites and drones will be watching as well. Add to it there will be a number of local population support of the PLA. If there are no boots on the ground by the opposition force than there are no chance of "winning".

Anyway, like you said, I hope it doesn't happen.
 

Equation

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There is an issue with equipment, as the Army is last in line to receive budget for major new purchases. How many years has it been since ROCA received any new MBT's? Or even major upgrades to their existing M-60 fleet? IMO it's not beyond TW domestic industry's capability to produce upgrades like the M60T Sabra.

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It's not only that, but the question of how many rare earth materials do Taiwan has to produce armored vehicles and tanks of that quality. Along with the industrial machinery and skills to make it. These aspects requires billions of dollars more in R & D alone, not just the factory.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: US think tank head urges Taiwan to cut military power against China

True, but the longer ROCAF stays out of action the more disadvantages they'll be at. Remember the PLA forces will continue to arrive in huge numbers 24/7 as they took control of the beach landings and the entire island itself even the "capital" city of Taipei. If there are no boots on the ground by the opposition force than there are no chance of "winning".

Anyway, like you said, I hope it doesn't happen.
If the PLA secures a beachhead, then it is over in terms of armed forces, massive resistance. it will be., as you say, only a matter of time then.

I do not believe the ROCAF will remain out of action through that...the whole idea is simply to preserve them so they can be used to resist and hold off an invasion when it happens and avoid being wiped out or seriousl;y degraded by the ballistic missile barages that occur before the invasion.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Re: US think tank head urges Taiwan to cut military power against China

If the PLA secures a beachhead, then it is over in terms of armed forces, massive resistance. it will be., as you say, only a matter of time then.

I do not believe the ROCAF will remain out of action through that...the whole idea is simply to preserve them so they can be used to resist and hold off an invasion when it happens and avoid being wiped out or seriousl;y degraded by the ballistic missile barages that occur before the invasion.

Modern military needs force multipliers to function effectively. Most of these multipliers happen to be bulky or stationary and will be the targets of any bomb/missile attack. It will be a huge mistake if they simply hide troops, planes, tanks, etc in caves and wish to ride it out. Once the missile/bomb attack is over, they will be without command and control communication, major highways and railroads will be gone, radars will be gone. Without the force multipliers, they won't be able to function as a unit, which means they won't fight effectively no matter how many troops and planes they have left and how advanced each individual weapon system is.
 
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Jeff Head

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Re: US think tank head urges Taiwan to cut military power against China

Modern military needs force multipliers to function effectively. Most of these multipliers happen to be bulky or stationary and will be the targets of any bomb/missile attack. It will be a huge mistake if they simply hide troops, planes, tanks, etc in caves and wish to ride it out. Once the missile/bomb attack is over, they will be without command and control communication, major highways and railroads will be gone, radars will be gone. Without the force multipliers, they won't be able to function as a unit, which means they won't fight effectively no matter how many troops and planes they have left and how advanced each individual weapon system is.
The idea for the ROC is to preserve as many forces and their ability to control them through the barrages and be able to bring them on when most needed at the critical juncture when the landings are about to begin.

Clearly, during the barrages, they will also have forees in the air and trying to keep the PLAAF from achieving total air dominance.

Whether they are successful with that overall strategy, I honestly hope we never find out...but the ROC has had a lot of years to plan and prepare for it and they have not waisted those years. It would be very unwise to write it off and presume that every thing is going to go one way.

There is no doubt that a PLA ballistic missile barrage will do a lot of damage, and that it will certainly dishearten the citizenry. But that does not mean it will be completely effective and that those forces that the ROC husbands during it will be unable to respond and respond effectively.

My guess is that the PLA is planning that there will remain significant opposition, and will themselves establish their order of battle accordingly.
 

Franklin

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Taiwan's secret nuclear weapons program.

How a Spy Left Taiwan in the Cold

A United States spy whose role was cultivated for two decades rose to the top of Taiwan's secret nuclear weapons program and, at a crucial moment, stole vital documents that stopped the program in its tracks, according to former intelligence officials.

The theft by the spy, a colonel in Taiwan and longtime Central Intelligence agent, halted a program that 20 years of international inspection and American intervention had slowed but never stopped, the officials said.

The covert American operation culminated 10 years ago this month. And though it was reported then that the colonel had defected, dealing a crippling blow to Taiwan's nuclear effort, his work has never been acknowledged openly or described in detail by United States officials.

That weapons program had the potential to ignite a war; China had threatened attack if Taiwan deployed a nuclear weapon. And Taiwan was closer to developing a nuclear weapon than was previously known, according to a study to be published next month in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.

The study provides lessons for stopping the spread of nuclear weapons today. It shows how a nation can secretly and patiently assemble a nuclear weapons program, as several American allies and enemies -- among them Israel, Iraq and Iran -- have done with varying success. And the study also demonstrates how international political and diplomatic pressure can disrupt a nation's dreams of possessing nuclear arms.

The story of the spy who stopped the nuclear weapons program -- Col. Chang Hsien-yi, who was deputy director of Taiwan's nuclear energy research institute -- has never been fully told. The C.I.A. refuses to discuss it, and Colonel Chang effectively disappeared after he defected to the United States 10 years ago.

He was recruited as a C.I.A. agent in the 1960's, when he was a military cadet, according to former intelligence officials. In the 1970's, as he rose through the ranks of Taiwan's secret weapons hierarchy, Colonel Chang was nurtured and cultivated as a spy for the United States. And in the 1980's, he provided the United States with a unique inside look at the burgeoning nuclear bomb program -- secret information that could not be obtained by electronic eavesdropping or spy satellites.

Of the former intelligence officials who discussed the case, only James R. Lilley, a former United States envoy to Beijing who earlier served as C.I.A. station chief there, agreed to be quoted by name. Mr. Lilley said it is time for the case to be publicly acknowledged as a success, a classic in the annals of intelligence.

''You pick a comer, put the right case officer on him and recruit him carefully, on an ideological basis -- although money was involved -- and keep in touch,'' Mr. Lilley said. ''Then, in the early 80's, it began to pay off.''

''You couldn't get this stuff from intercepts and you couldn't get it from overhead,'' he added, referring to covert electronic-eavesdropping and satellite reconnaissance systems. ''You had to get it from a human source. And you had to use it very carefully.''

In December 1987, as the secret program was gaining steam, Colonel Chang defected to the United States, with the C.I.A.'s assistance, smuggling reams of documents out of Taiwan: damning evidence of the progress Taiwan had made toward building a bomb. State Department officials pressured Taiwan, which agreed to halt the program.

''This was a case where they actually did something right,'' Mr. Lilley said, referring to the United States intelligence and diplomatic communities. ''They got the guy out. They got the documentation. And they confronted the Taiwanese.''

Taiwan's official position ever since has been that it will not use its scientific and technical expertise to build nuclear arms.

The Republic of China on Taiwan was established by Chiang Kai-shek, the leader of the Chinese Nationalists, who fled with two million followers after Mao's Communist forces took control of the mainland in 1949. China regards Taiwan as a ''renegade province,'' and from time to time has threatened to attack if Taiwan develops a nuclear bomb.

These tensions rise and fall; after China test-fired missiles into the waters off Taiwan's coast in 1995, Taiwan's President, Lee Teng-hui, told the National Assembly that Taiwan should consider reviving its nuclear weapons program. Days later, he said that Taiwan would ''definitely not'' resume work on a bomb.

The article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, written by David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, and Corey Gay, a policy analyst at the institute, is the most thorough study available on Taiwan's nuclear weapons program.

The program dates back at least to China's first nuclear test in October 1964, though its roots may lie in the 1950's. When China developed the bomb, Taiwan wanted one, just as Pakistan went to work on building a weapon after its neighbor and archrival India tested one. Ownership of a nuclear weapon is a matter of national pride and status as much as a matter of national defense.

After the Chinese test, President Chiang pressed the United States to attack China's nuclear installations, the study shows. Rebuffed, Taiwan went to work on developing the know-how, the technology and the techniques for building a bomb.

Taiwan's work on the bomb took place at the Chungsan Institute of Science and Technology, a military installation, and the adjacent Institute for Nuclear Energy Research. The authors of the study say the energy institute, known as INER, was set up to produce plutonium metal, the desired form for the fissile material in a nuclear bomb.

INER bought a 40-megawatt nuclear research reactor from Canada, the same model India used to produce the plutonium it used for its first nuclear test explosion.

The institute also bought nuclear equipment, supplies and expertise from the United States, France, Germany, Norway and other nations. South Africa supplied 100 metric tons of uranium. The United States supplied a form of plutonium. All of this material was ostensibly for civilian research.

But by 1974, a decade after China exploded its first bomb, the C.I.A. concluded that Taiwan's nuclear program had been run ''with a weapon option clearly in mind, and it will be in a position to fabricate a nuclear device after five years or so.''

That Taiwan was potentially within five years of becoming a nuclear power was a clear and present danger. In the early 1970's, Taiwan had lost its international status as an independent nation. The United Nations had recognized Chairman Mao's People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate representative of the Chinese people.


With that loss of diplomatic status, Taiwan was no longer a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors nuclear programs. And Canada, which had supplied the nuclear reactor at INER, was no longer safeguarding it.

The United States and the International Atomic Energy Agency agreed informally with Taiwan on independent inspections. It took years of work, but by 1976 the international agency concluded that Taiwan could be secretly reprocessing plutonium-laden fuel rods from its research reactor. The agency also concluded that Taiwan could make plutonium metal from ingredients supplied by the United States, the new study said.

In late 1976 or early 1977, the inspectors found a trapdoor at the INER complex through which Taiwan could divert fuel rods from the reactor into a weapons program, the study said. This proved the last straw. Washington insisted that Taiwan shut its weapons research program and return the plutonium that the United States had supplied.

On the surface, it appeared that Taiwan's drive for nuclear weapons had been stopped. But under President Chiang Ching-kuo, who succeeded his father in 1978, the program continued, in greater secrecy.


Just how much progress Taiwan made in the following decade remains uncertain. The authors said in interviews that they believed Taiwan was perhaps just a year or two from completing a bomb in December 1987, when Colonel Chang fled Taiwan carrying the documents. The authors also said they had been actively discouraged by United States officials from inquiring into the role played by Colonel Chang and the nature of the information he relayed to the United States. They report nothing that has not been previously revealed about the colonel.

They said their research showed how concerted international pressure can make it harder and harder for countries to hide secret weapons programs. They also noted that until the late 1980's, the news media in Taiwan were tightly controlled, military budgets were secret and public debates over national security were stifled by the Government's control of information.

Mr. Albright said he thought Taiwan's nuclear race had been ended, for the time being, by a combination of forces: ''Democratization, the colonel's defection and pressure from the United States.''

But, he added, ''it may not be over yet.'' With a crash program conducted in secrecy, he said, Taiwan could still build a bomb in a year or two.

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Franklin

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Taiwan’s Massive, Mega-Powerful Radar System Is Finally Operational

This weird, sloped 10-story green building gives the tiny island nation of Taiwan something that it’s wanted for 15 years: early warning of ballistic missiles and warplanes launched from over 3,000 miles away.

For Taiwan, it’s a must-have. Neighboring China has over a thousand ballistic and cruise missiles pointed at it. Once launched, the missiles will slam onto the breakaway Chinese province within 10 minutes. Taiwan needs as much early warning as humanly possible if those missiles ever reach the air.

This 105-foot system is about as advanced as early-warning radar arrays get. Known as PAVE PAWS, for Phased Array Warning System, the slopes of the building shown above are huge antennas built into the facade. Unlike a mechanical antenna, you don’t have to physically aim a phased-array early warning system, as its “beam steering” is done electronically. The system creates a 240-degree virtual eye, allowing Taiwan to see deep into China, and even into Japan and North Korea. Only a handful of countries — the U.S., Russia, maybe China itself — have this kind of early-warning system.

It’s very, very valuable to Taiwan. Constructed on the top of a mountain in the country’s north, the Raytheon-built system cost approximately $1.4 billion. Purchasing the system from the United States stretches back to the Clinton administration, with lots of setbacks along the way. Taiwan was so freaked out last year when PAVE PAWS popped up on Apple Maps that it prevailed upon Apple to obscure the image of the system.

But with little international notice, Taiwan declared its PAVE PAWS operational last month. Air Force Lt. Wu Wan-chiao boasted that Taiwan would now have “more than six minutes’ warning in preparation for any surprise attacks.”

Chances are, it’s not just benefiting the Taiwanese. “I would expect the U.S. would have made a deal that the U.S. gets satellite surveillance from the Taiwan radar,” Allen Thomson, a former CIA weapons analyst, tells Danger Room. “Most of time it’s sitting there watching satellites, and that’s about it. The U.S. could certainly could use that information.”

Of course, in an actual war with China, early warning only buys you so much time (minutes, basically). And the PAVE PAWS is an obvious military target for an early wave of a Chinese strike. “It’s a very important system, sitting there on a mountain,” Thompson continues. “But 10 minutes before it gets blown up, it’ll provide warning.”

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Only 240° coverage hmmmmm, what if China swirls around the radar and attack it from its blind spot? China is working on destroyers and subs with LACM. This is a huge intelligence asset for Taiwan and the US but i don't know how effective this will be during war.
 

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Only 240° coverage hmmmmm, what if China swirls around the radar and attack it from its blind spot? China is working on destroyers and subs with LACM. This is a huge intelligence asset for Taiwan and the US but i don't know how effective this will be during war.

I was pretty impressed with this whole thing until I reached the line "Raytheon build". Just another foreign system sold to the highest bidder, nothing impressive about this whole thing at all.
 

navyreco

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Taiwan Tuesday confirmed it plans to study the feasibility of building a submarine fleet on its own in a move which suggests it is running out of patience over a long-stalled US offer to supply eight of the warships.

The navy hopes to come up with an in-depth report in four years on items ranging from design and acquisition of equipment, to construction capabilities and product tests and evaluation, according to a defence ministry statement.

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But Taiwan is still short of critical know-how on development of submarine fighting systems, sonars and torpedo launch tubes, it said.

In April 2001, then US president George W. Bush approved the sale of eight conventional submarines as part of Washington's most comprehensive arms package to the island since 1992.

Since then, however, there has been little progress as the United States has not built conventional submarines for more than 40 years and Germany and Spain have reportedly declined to offer their designs for fear of offending China.
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