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Jeff Head

General
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Tawain to send Navval Vessels to disputed area

Tawain is sending a large force of two ROCN Frigates with their helicopters and three Coast Guard cutters to patrol the disputed fishing area and to protect Tawain fishermen.

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In the article it mentions that the ROCN will stop and impound/sieze the Filipino Coast Guard vessel that shot the Tawain fishing boat if they see it.

As a result, it is not likely that that vessel (or any other Filipino vessel) will be in the area any time soon.

With a Kang Ding (a French Lafayette derivative) frigate and a Chi Yang Class (Knox) frigate (which the ROCN has updated significantly over the years), along with three ROC Coast Guard cutters, two of the armed, Taiwan is putting a force there more powerful than all of the Filipino Navy. And you can bet if any Filipino vessels are in the area, the Taiwan vessels will not put up with any nonsense whatsoever from them now that bl9ood has been shed.

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joshuatree

Captain
This article helps to explain why Taiwan decided to buy two second hand OHP class frigates from the US instead of building them on Taiwan themself. Those 8 Cheng Kung class frigates that Taiwan build under license from the US costs about 570 million $ each or nearly twice the cost of a Type 054A.



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Good points made here but it is concerning if moving forward, Taiwan's procurement will become more and more 2nd hand gear instead of new stuff. I like to see them be able to procure some new corvettes to augment. The newest US OHP is 25 years old at this point. And those won't be the ones being sold to Taiwan.
 

Jeff Head

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Good points made here but it is concerning if moving forward, Taiwan's procurement will become more and more 2nd hand gear instead of new stuff. I like to see them be able to procure some new corvettes to augment. The newest US OHP is 25 years old at this point. And those won't be the ones being sold to Taiwan.
The four KIDD DDGs are very powerful. They have the latest sensors and technology available for the class, and are CE capable with AEGIS vessels.

They have 8 of their own build OHPs, and will now have two more for a total of ten. They should upgrade them with an 8 cell Mk-41 VLS (Like the Australians did), or at least a RAM launcher with 21 missiles. Outside of that, their ASuW and ASW warefare suites are excellent.

They have 6 Kang Ding (LaFayette) FFGs which need a RAM upgrade as well. Their older Knox class have been upgraded and have very good ASW capabilities, but poor AAW capabilities. But with them they have a total of 28 good vessels.

Four flotillas of one Kidd, two Perrys two Knoxs and one or two Lafayettes would be powerful Surface Action Groups and something that would have to be taken very seriously by any aggressor force.

The do need to build a new group of FFGs, probably a good 12 of them to replace the Knox class. I believe they are planning on doing just that.

Around 3,500 ton displacement and with the most modern weapons and sensor fit they can get. I expect the KIDDs, the OHPs, and the Lafayettes will serve at least another 20 years. But to replace the old Knox vessels, they should look at the S. Korean multi-pupose Frigate offering that Thailand and others are considering, and look to license build them there. Or perhaps the GP frigate version of the US Coast Guard National Defense Cutter, or one of the GD or Lockheed GP LCS designs. There are lots of options out there.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
I doubt Taiwan would buy a warship from Korea.

What the chance Taiwan would buy 054A (no, I am not joking) .... I think the chance are more and more likely as time goes :D
 

vesicles

Colonel
I doubt Taiwan would buy a warship from Korea.

What the chance Taiwan would buy 054A (no, I am not joking) .... I think the chance are more and more likely as time goes :D

The moment Taiwan would consider buying 054A would be the time when Taiwan no longer needs to buy any of it...
 

Franklin

Captain
Taiwan runs short of volunteers in military shift

A Taiwanese plan to end mandatory military service and shift to an all-volunteer force is running into a problem: not enough volunteers.

Such forces are generally considered superior to conscripted ones, because those serving want to be there. Taiwan wants to field a leaner and meaner military of 176,000 volunteers by 2015, in place of its current complement of 235,000 volunteers and conscripts.

But the military fell 4,000 short of its goal of 15,000 volunteers last year, and likewise was 2,000 short of its much smaller target of 4,000 in 2011.

Recruitment is proving difficult in a prosperous society that offers young people alternatives and doesn't glorify military service. Unlike in the United States, political candidates here almost never mention military service when campaigning, almost as if it were a badge of shame.

"I pretty much agree with that old Chinese saying that good people don't go into the military," said Yen Shou-cheng, 28, who manages a food shop in downtown Taipei. "I myself did just a couple of weeks of training and it was a total waste of time. There are far more important things in life than serving your country in the army — earning good money to take care of your wife and kids, for example."

Some young people also question the need for a strong defense, because of Taiwan's rapidly improving relations and expanding trade with its once implacable foe on the Chinese mainland. Moreover, given China's growing military strength, some think resistance would be futile.

"I think Taiwan has no chance of winning in a fight against China," said Wang Yen-zhou, 19, a student at Taipei's Taiwan National University. "We are not strong enough. So fighting doesn't make sense."

Gone are the days when Taiwan could recruit soldiers with martial music and patriotic slogans about retaking the mainland. Today, hip depictions of soldiers dressed as funky cartoon characters are a dominant theme at the Keelung Street military recruiting center in the Taiwanese capital of Taipei, one of four such centers spread around this island of 23 million people.

Taiwanese defense experts say the government also needs to offer higher salaries. All-volunteer militaries may be more professional, but they're also more expensive.

"The budget to sustain the force is not enough," said Lin Chong-pin, a former deputy defense minister. "Many people believe the Ministry of Defense should rethink the entire concept."

The ministry insists it can reach its recruiting targets, though Col. Hu Zhong-shi, the deputy director of the ministry's military recruiting effort, concedes that a strong economy is making it difficult.

"In 2010, when the economy was bad, we did very well," he said. "Now that it is improving we are facing more of a challenge."

The basic salary for a voluntary recruit is around 30,000 New Taiwan dollars ($1,000) a month, with bonuses for service in combat arms — the infantry, armor and artillery — and for extended periods of enlistment.

Alexander Huang of Taipei's Tamkang University believes the government needs to raise defense spending from its present 2.2 percent of GDP to about 3 percent to meet the 2015 all-volunteer force goal. But that seems unlikely under President Ma Ying-jeou, who has focused on improving relations with China and sanctioned a cutback in military exercises.

The struggle to recruit worries some U.S. defense experts.

While an attack may seem unlikely, China has never renounced the use of force in its bid to bring Taiwan under its control. It has an estimated 1,500 missiles aimed at the island across the 160-kilometer- (100-mile-) wide Taiwan Strait.

William Stanton, the former head of the de facto U.S. embassy on Taiwan, told a China-wary audience in Taipei in March that declining military budgets and other signs of a weakened commitment to military readiness have left Taiwan vulnerable to Chinese attack and made it easier for mainland spies to penetrate its armed forces.

"I worry (about Taiwan)," he said, "because I sometimes think the Taiwanese people do not worry enough."

One Taiwanese proudly bucking the trend is Kung Yun-ru, 22, a recent university graduate in design. She said her family's deep-seated military tradition — both her grandfather and uncle served in the army — helped cement her decision to report to one of Taipei's two main recruiting depots and volunteer to become an officer in the military police.

"My motives are entirely patriotic," she said, filling out her enlistment forms with a friend. "I love Taiwan. And I'm definitely not afraid of the Chinese Communists."

But Taipei university student Zhuang Ming-zheng, 20, questioned the whole idea of military readiness: "We have good economic relations with the mainland, so there's no reason to think that an attack will ever happen."

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mr.bean

Junior Member
More impressive is when they're put in contrast to another US ally with a near identical population; Australia. Australia is literally just lounging around when compared to Taiwan, their industrial complex is weak, underdeveloped and severely lacking in human talent when compared to Taiwan. Australia has no world-class firms while Taiwan has Acer, Asus, HTC and Foxconn just to name a few. For an island territory with a population of 23 million, Taiwan's achievements are astounding while Australia has got to get its act together, particularly in the secondary sector of its economy.

yeah good point. Taiwan seems small because its located next to china & japan, those 2 giants. but if we compare Taiwan's ROCAF against Canadian air force or royal Australian air force the Taiwanese will totally kick their *ss and clean them off easily.
 

solarz

Brigadier
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It looks like PRC's tactics are working. On the one hand, a big basket of carrots in the form of economic cooperation, and on the other hand, a stick big enough to convince TW that fighting would be a very bad idea.

Unification is really a very, very long term goal. As long as the per-capita wealth of TW is higher than Mainland, unification is out of the question. In the foreseeable term, the goal should simply be good relations and deterrence from provocative acts by the DPP.
 

MwRYum

Major
It looks like PRC's tactics are working. On the one hand, a big basket of carrots in the form of economic cooperation, and on the other hand, a stick big enough to convince TW that fighting would be a very bad idea.

Unification is really a very, very long term goal. As long as the per-capita wealth of TW is higher than Mainland, unification is out of the question. In the foreseeable term, the goal should simply be good relations and deterrence from provocative acts by the DPP.

Taiwan lacks a pro-military atmosphere, among other things. And as long as the wind keep blowing in Beijing's side Taiwan can't hope to keep up the arms race...more so that China aims beyond Taiwan now.

Baring anything dramatic that'd change the fortune of the states, it'll take time for the reality to set in to the Taiwanese...people who're passionate are usually non-realists.
 
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