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Skywatcher

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I would see Taiwan (ROC) as a potential buyer for the new "Silent" Eagle, or the new porposed upgrade to the F-18 Superhornet for export.

I do not believe they will be considered for the F-35. I also doubt that France will offer the Rafael to the ROC.

These upgrades are good stop gaps as most of the ROC aircraft have less than 20 years on their airframes and extending their life another 15-20 years with new electronics and other more modern weaponry and capabilities it good for them...but ultimately 100 or more Silent Eagles or new Superhornets would be the decision to make for the longer term.

I doubt that the ROCAF could pay for any meaningful number of Silent Eagles (more than two squadrons). Buy any less, and they'll be quickly whittled down in any conflict by PLAAF SAMs and 4.5/5th generation fighters, especially if you decide to use them in a strike role.

Might run into the same cost and airframes dilemma with the Superhornets, though on a smaller scale...

Taiwan would be better off buying a production line for turbofan engines and continue to build the IDF with incremental upgrades.
 

Jeff Head

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I doubt that the ROCAF could pay for any meaningful number of Silent Eagles (more than two squadrons).

Taiwan would be better off buying a production line for turbofan engines and continue to build the IDF with incremental upgrades.
If they could afford it, the Super Hornet export upgrade or the Silent Eagle would be a better solution for them...but it always presumes they can come up with the funds...that's why I said initially that they would be a "potential" customer.

Otherwise they will have to continue to do the best with what they have and make whatever improvements they can afford...which appear to be exactl what they are doing.
 

MwRYum

Major
From Taiwan news report, Taiwanese military developed MRBM "Yun-Fong (雲峰)"in completed, and testing finish, it will in small produce and service in 2015.

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The source of the story came from a tabloid magazine that has a dubious reputation when comes to creditability. In short, you can disregard this "news".

Taiwan would be better off buying a production line for turbofan engines and continue to build the IDF with incremental upgrades.

Production line for military grade high performance jet engine? You can forget about it, especially in this economy. Nobody would ever sell what essentially the crown jewel of aviation industry, they'd prefer you to buy engines from them instead.
 
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Aero_Wing_32

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Such big contracts with Taiwan? Hmmm... let's see how big a potential contract with the Mainland could be when the arms embargo is lifted in the near future, not to mention all the other sweet economic/financial deals... Also, not too long ago, the Eiffel Tower was covered with red lights when the Chinese president visited France... So if I were you, I would not be so confident about how attractive Taiwan is..

Come on! ;) Whatever the contract with PRC, you must sell your know-how, build up a chinese joint venture if not yet created, holding the patents. We want a bit of this and a bit of that.. What a big deal! Mr Sarkozy, ousted by french people, would have been aware of that before signing out his contracts with mainland. Now the aftermaths? A declining french industry and a terrific unemployment rate there. Never forget that the taiwanaese contract was a plain rainbow in the sky of french military industry. That was in the 90s.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Come on! ;) Whatever the contract with PRC, you must sell your know-how, build up a chinese joint venture if not yet created, holding the patents. We want a bit of this and a bit of that.. What a big deal! Mr Sarkozy, ousted by french people, would have been aware of that before signing out his contracts with mainland. Now the aftermaths? A declining french industry and a terrific unemployment rate there. Never forget that the taiwanaese contract was a plain rainbow in the sky of french military industry. That was in the 90s.

Coincidence is not causation.
 

Skywatcher

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Production line for military grade high performance jet engine? You can forget about it, especially in this economy. Nobody would ever sell what essentially the crown jewel of aviation industry, they'd prefer you to buy engines from them instead.

The IDF's engine is pretty old turbofan technology, so tech transfer wouldn't be terribly unusual (the South Koreans build the RKAF's F-15's engines themselves), and RR did transfer the Spey technology wholesale to China.
 

MwRYum

Major
The IDF's engine is pretty old turbofan technology, so tech transfer wouldn't be terribly unusual (the South Koreans build the RKAF's F-15's engines themselves), and RR did transfer the Spey technology wholesale to China.

They may sell you yesterday's tech, but when what you need is the today's generation tech, and that's exactly something nobody would ever sell you the know-how.

Top-of-the-line stuff is something you don't sell the know-how.

That said, even with all the contracts France signed with China, those are all "second tier" stuff to France, though it's already superior to the "top-of-the-line" China can make.

Come on! ;) Whatever the contract with PRC, you must sell your know-how, build up a chinese joint venture if not yet created, holding the patents. We want a bit of this and a bit of that.. What a big deal! Mr Sarkozy, ousted by french people, would have been aware of that before signing out his contracts with mainland. Now the aftermaths? A declining french industry and a terrific unemployment rate there. Never forget that the taiwanaese contract was a plain rainbow in the sky of french military industry. That was in the 90s.

Instead you should blame the current global economy, as well as lack of interstate wars that calls for sophisticated weaponry - back during the Iran-Iraq war, that was the boom era for France defense industry. Face it, the good old days of easy money and easy credits is no more - unless you got oil or gold or diamond or REM mines in your country -and that mean everyone pinching their wallets. The French themselves pinch their wallets too, so much so that their domestic order not enough to drive down the unit cost of Rafale, neither it helps to give foreign customers the confidence; F-35 might turning into a classic Ponzi Scheme in reality, but as long as USAF+USN+USMC still committed to it, everyone else have no choice but to keep pumping money in, in short, "too big to fail".

It's all about money, everybody do their math, if Taiwan can't offer the better, long-term bargain then you're suckered, naturally. The French arms industry ain't running a charity, neither does the American or anyone else.

France's problem has nothing to do with Taiwan, it's a global quagmire far bigger than anything Taiwan or China can fix - well, unless Taiwan willing to payout all of France's national debt or something to that scale, but you should know how crazy such notion it is.
 
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