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Skywatcher

Captain
Piss off.

Always the same song with chinese bots. The so famous big deals with China re leading europeans to dramatic unemployment rates, and the closings of plants for good. Besides helping local "partners" to copy european know-how. The last Big deal signed with Mrs Merkel for plenty of A320 all built in Chinese plants, made me laugh to tears.

After you, CESM. Might want to dump that francafrique garbage before you start "Keeping faith about France defending democratic voices everywhere".

Nations do deals according to their interests, not about some crap about "sharing the same flag colors" and all that bs.

I see you failed economics, given your ignorance about the fundamental trends China-EU trade and basic economic concepts like comparative advantage (or does "Keeping faith about France defending democratic voices every where" trump the invisible hand of the free market?). It is my sincere hope that for the good of the European economy that you have no professional involvement in international trade.

BTW, I'm an American and darn well proud of it, so you might want to think of a more accurate slur next time. What are you?
 
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In4ser

Junior Member
After you, CESM. Might want to dump that francafrique garbage before you start "Keeping faith about France defending democratic voices everywhere".

Nations do deals according to their interests, not about some crap about "sharing the same flag colors" and all that bs.
I believe Charles de Gaulle said it the best, "Men can have friends, statesmen cannot."
 

Aero_Wing_32

Junior Member
After you, CESM. Might want to dump that francafrique garbage before you start "Keeping faith about France defending democratic voices everywhere".

Nations do deals according to their interests, not about some crap about "sharing the same flag colors" and all that bs.

I see you failed economics, given your ignorance about the fundamental trends China-EU trade and basic economic concepts like comparative advantage (or does "Keeping faith about France defending democratic voices every where" trump the invisible hand of the free market?). It is my sincere hope that for the good of the European economy that you have no professional involvement in international trade.

BTW, I'm an American and darn well proud of it, so you might want to think of a more accurate slur next time. What are you?

your country is losing edge and you seem to be proud of it... That's your point of view. :D
 

Skywatcher

Captain
your country is losing edge and you seem to be proud of it... That's your point of view. :D

Yes, and what proof do you have for that? You must be especially proud of a country that's lost almost all its edge in comparison, then (unless the Zionist-Illuminati-Salafist/Eurabists-CCP global conspiracy cabal is cooking the economic and S&T books on behalf of the evil Yankees against France). :confused:

At least we still have a healthy export industry (defense and otherwise) and we're not going bankrupt from an unsustainable welfare state. :cool:
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Taiwan needs to purchase new aircrfat rather than sinking money into airframes with a lot of hours on them.

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TAIPEI — Taiwan plans to complete the first stage of an ambitious plan to upgrade its fighter jet force by the end of 2013, in an effort to maintain a credible deterrent against China into the 2030s. Some 60 of Taiwan's Indigenous Defence Fighters (IDFs) will be upgraded and ready for deployment within 12 months, according to a report submitted to Parliament by the defense ministry.
The aircraft will be equipped with enhanced radar, avionics and electronic warfare capabilities, along with a locally-produced cluster bomb, according to the report.
The remainder of the country's 127-strong fleet of IDFs will be upgraded by 2017, the report said.
Taiwan deployed the IDFs in 1992 and the upgrade, which kicked off in 2009, will extend the service life of the aircraft for about another two decades according to the report, which was submitted to parliament last week and made available Dec. 31 to AFP by a legislator.
The United States last year agreed to equip Taiwan's 146 aging U.S.-built F-16 A/B jets with new technologies in a $5.85 billion deal that irked China.
 

joshuatree

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Taiwan needs to purchase new aircraft rather than sinking money into air frames with a lot of hours on them.

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I think a major hurdle is, who is willing to sell new aircraft to Taiwan without risking a bumpy relation with China, especially an economic one given China is now a credible alternate engine for the world's economy? No doubt the French would be happy to sell but not when it risks her economic relations with China. Would the US be willing to include Taiwan into the F-35 program? Doubtful. The US could stand the heat but that would make the "pivot" become a full blown Cold War II. Russia usually sells to just about anyone but not sure how receptive that deal would be to both sides, Russia is an on/off ally to China and Taiwan to the US.

It would seem the only viable alternate would be to develop an IDF-II but can she pour in the R&D dollars needed?
 

Franklin

Captain
Taiwan needs to purchase new aircrfat rather than sinking money into airframes with a lot of hours on them.

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I would disagree the planes in Taiwan's air force are all purchased in the middle and the end of the 1990's and some are even delivered in the 2000/2001 period. That means the airframes in the Taiwanese air force are less than 20 years old. Those airframes still have 10 to 15 years left in them and are on average 10 years younger than most airframes in NATO Europe or even in the US. And Taiwan can choose to "zero hour" those airframes that would stretch the life of these airframes even longer. The age of those airframes is not the problem. The problem with Taiwan's air fleet is the technology on these planes. Things like all glass cockpits, helmet mounted sights, RCS reducing features on the airframe that are now common on the new PLAAF planes still don't exist on Taiwanese planes. So in that sense the upgrade package from the US is a good deal for Taiwan. Too bad that it only starts around 2016 and end in 2021.:( Aside of the technology the other problems are the numbers and the platforms that Taiwan has. Taiwan in the air is aside from being outnumbered are also being outgunned and out sized by the Chinese air force. The Taiwanese are simply how should i put it... being "out flanked" by the Chinese.

I think a major hurdle is, who is willing to sell new aircraft to Taiwan without risking a bumpy relation with China, especially an economic one given China is now a credible alternate engine for the world's economy? No doubt the French would be happy to sell but not when it risks her economic relations with China. Would the US be willing to include Taiwan into the F-35 program? Doubtful. The US could stand the heat but that would make the "pivot" become a full blown Cold War II. Russia usually sells to just about anyone but not sure how receptive that deal would be to both sides, Russia is an on/off ally to China and Taiwan to the US.

It would seem the only viable alternate would be to develop an IDF-II but can she pour in the R&D dollars needed

The political, diplomatic and economic reality of the world today is that many nations these days literally cannot afford the ire of China. So there won't be any arms deals for Taiwan coming out of Europe, Russia or elsewhere except for the US. Even there the Americans has to weigh in the potential fallout with China in the kinds of weapons the US supplies to Taiwan.

As for a IDF II the problem there is that Taiwan did develop and produce a fighter in the 1980's and 90's called the IDF Ching-kuo. The project was succesful and those planes are still flying in the Taiwanese air force today. However in 1992 the US sold to Taiwan 150 F-16 block 20 and France sold to Taiwan 60 Mirage 2000 and the decision was then taken on Taiwan that after the initial production run of 130 planes that the plants and the project would be shut down. And after the last Ching-kuo rolled off of the assembly line in december of 1999 the Taiwanese locked up the plant and throw away the keys.:( Most of the talents that the Taiwanese nurtured in the 1980's and 90's left Taiwan and most of them ended up in South Korea. You only have to look at South Korea's T-50 Golden Eagle and you will see the influence of the IDF Ching-kuo in it. Today Taiwan is looking for international partners to help them build trainer jets for its air force. Taiwans ability to build a IDF II is very slim indeed. And you also have to consider that a IDF II must have the ability to best planes like the Chengdu J-10B, Shenyang J-16 if not the Chengdu J-20 which makes it even less likely that Taiwan's domestic aerospace industry can produce a plane that could counter and upset China's numerical and technical superiority.

The problem for Taiwan in the China Taiwan balance is that Taiwan is not only competing against China's weapons inventory but also the science, technology and industrial base in China that have build them. And that becomes a losing game for Taiwan no matter what kind of weapons they can buy.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
:( And that's a bad calculation for your declining country. Let's see what could happen to your military industry in the next decade, if you refuse such big contracts with the respectable Republic of China. Don't you pay a stiff price for the bad business done with communist China? I keep the faith that France is still defending democratic voices everywhere in the world. Sharing the same flag colors.

Such big contracts with Taiwan? Hmmm... let's see how big a potential contract with the Mainland could be when the arms embargo is lifted in the near future, not to mention all the other sweet economic/financial deals... Also, not too long ago, the Eiffel Tower was covered with red lights when the Chinese president visited France... So if I were you, I would not be so confident about how attractive Taiwan is..
 

Jeff Head

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Taiwan needs to purchase new aircrfat rather than sinking money into airframes with a lot of hours on them.

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I would see Taiwan (ROC) as a potential buyer for the new "Silent" Eagle, or the new porposed upgrade to the F-18 Superhornet for export.

I do not believe they will be considered for the F-35. I also doubt that France will offer the Rafael to the ROC.

These upgrades are good stop gaps as most of the ROC aircraft have less than 20 years on their airframes and extending their life another 15-20 years with new electronics and other more modern weaponry and capabilities it good for them...but ultimately 100 or more Silent Eagles or new Superhornets would be the decision to make for the longer term.
 

navyreco

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From Taiwan news report, Taiwanese military developed MRBM "Yun-Fong (雲峰)"in completed, and testing finish, it will in small produce and service in 2015.

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