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antiterror13

Brigadier
I think it is really a good news for PLAAF, it would be a perfect reason to get a huge budget increase next year and years after. PRC would protest just a symbolic protest, nothing more

Taiwan won't get the first batch upgraded before 2015, and at that time PLAAF will have at least 150 J-10B/C which is more than a match for the upgraded F-16 and at that time PLAAF may (high possibility) have 1-2 squadrons of J-20. God knows how advanced and more powerful China would be in 2015. My guess is would be very powerful, so this upgrade will mean NOTHING. Upgraded F-16 technology level is roughly similar to J-10 or J-10A
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Because they weren' t offered any? Maybe the RN/RAF want to sell them some of those sitting in hangars now, oops, US has already bought those for spares.
F35B?? -if its not cancelled!
Will they win against the PRC in an all out war. Of course not. Will those in Beijing be willing to pay the price is the question and any new equipment for the ROC will make that price in blood and treasure higher.

Maybe if you weren't so quick with the empty rhetoric, you would have had the time to look up AV8 since you clearly did not know that these were the American built version of the British Harrier. Had Taiwan made a request when the production line was open, there would have been no reason for the Americans to refuse.

And if China did go to war over Taiwan, that will be a matter of principle, and for that, no amount of blood or treasure will be too much.

All they did to Paris 20 years ago was close one lousy consulate. Whooppee! The guys in Beijing are true paper tigers and now that they are all used to driving their luxo Euro cars and sipping cognac they are even more soft than they were 20 years ago!

So what would you have done? :rolleyes:

If quiet diplomatic pressure and economic threats behind the scenes are not enough to put off the Americans, how does throwing a big public tantrum and then have the Americans sell the arms anyways enhance China's position or image in any way?

And its funny you bring up 20 years ago as it that was some political master stoke. China fired some missiles over Taiwan and blew up some fish in the middle of the Pacific. Big whoopy do. America still sold Taiwan what they wanted when they wanted and even sail an aircraft carrier through the straits and what could the PLA do about it? What China learnt from that fiasco is never to make threats you are not ready and able to back up if someone calls you on it. That is called being smart, not soft.

Today, America is very careful what it sells to Taiwan, and has been putting off arms sales as much as they can. Even when they do approve a package, it is largely upgrades instead of the new builds Taiwan wanted. And if America was stupid enough to try and sail a carrier through the straits again as a show of force, the egg will be on their face as it is target-locked the whole way through.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Still I think this is the best anyone could have hoped for; US can say they're still supporting Taiwan, ROCAF gets some better planes, PLAAF/China won't be massively worried but might accelerate some of their existing fighter programs to have, or keep moving the balance of power in their favour.

And PLAAF may get some extra airtime to practice with those new AESAs vs their own systems.
One of the reasons me think that US is worried about sending out the latest and greatest to their allies in asia is because once it is upthere these signiture and tactics are bound to known to PLA. its a matter of time before PLA has a countermeasure.
 

adeptitus

Captain
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I think it is really a good news for PLAAF, it would be a perfect reason to get a huge budget increase next year and years after. PRC would protest just a symbolic protest, nothing more
Taiwan won't get the first batch upgraded before 2015, and at that time PLAAF will have at least 150 J-10B/C which is more than a match for the upgraded F-16 and at that time PLAAF may (high possibility) have 1-2 squadrons of J-20. God knows how advanced and more powerful China would be in 2015. My guess is would be very powerful, so this upgrade will mean NOTHING. Upgraded F-16 technology level is roughly similar to J-10 or J-10A

It's unlikely that a production version of the J-20 would be ready by 2015.
 

cptplt

Junior Member
The AESA radar cited in this release here:
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Is ROC government's request list, not what the US government has approved for sale.


Good luck getting upgrades from France in the future.


Another area of glaring weakness for ROCAF is dependency on US export munition. When PLAAF needs missiles, they just place an order with the local factory. When ROCAF needs AMRAAMS, they have to submit a request to uncle sam and cross their fingers. .
A congressional notification is what the US is willing to sell and is seeking permission, or more correctly non vetoing, from Congress. Yes, its obviously ROC wish list, its also USG approved for sale or it wont be on the notification.

I'll bet good money the French will sell upgrades, they got little to lose and have already done so since the original deal, vis Astac pods.They have publicly said many times they will continue to support the Faire Face program, upgrades will be seen as a natural extension of maintenance etc. the question is does Taipei want to deal with Paris after the lafayette scandal and pay the exorbitant(versus US sourced) prices for French goods.

Amraam etc , and now AIM9x sales will flow regularly. The only reason the ROC AF has not purchased a thousand amraams, like they did micas for the M2000 is because they know they will get future sales without impediment and they did not want to be locked into a particular early production model and be able to get the latest version when they need it and its available. Look for these block 20 MLU planes to get aim120D eventually.
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
Some upgrade kits to F16AB to be completed over ten years with the first plane completed six years from now ? It won't reduce by much the pace of the expanding gap between the 2 military.
This deal is just mainly Taiwan paying their annual insurance premium to US.
I won't be surprised if it turns out US pushed harder for this deal than the Taiwan military. :)
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
- I'll bet more money it happens sooner but in a scenario where the present PRC system/leadership gets booted out and now there is no impediment to reunification by the ROC to a government in Beijing which is truely representative of the people and bound by the rule of law. Thats really all they want!


You didn't get it, by that time (not necessary exactly 2026, a figure), there is none stopping that from happening. Embrace the unification (by PRC, mind I emphasis) is a good logic choice while ideaology wet dreams changes nothing.
 
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