Taiwan "Han Kuang" exercises

renmin said:

Hey, watch your langage man! You can get a warning for saying that. Only mods are aloud to curse . The airforce wasnt even mentioned. But now that you bring it up, TAIWAN'S airforce is way too small to go up against the PLAAF. Second, the ROCAF is made mostly out of f-16s and f-15s etc. Your average US fighter, all which could be taken out by J-11s, J-12s, and J-10s. I wonder; America has some military instalations in Taiwan, if China attacks what will happen concerning those US bases?

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here regarding your ignorance of the ROCAF... but keep it up and there might be some embarassing consequences.

And no, the US currently does not have any military installations in Taiwan.

The_Zergling said:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here regarding your ignorance of the ROCAF... but keep it up and there might be some embarassing consequences.

And no, the US currently does not have any military installations in Taiwan.

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Calm down dude. Im not insulting Taiwan or anything
Lets see, the ROCAF has about 400 combative planes, including 146 f16s, about 60 f5s,56 mirage 2000s
and 128 FCK IDF, thats their airforce along with trainers and other stuff. Who are you calling ignorant? You should not be insulting another member Dont take any offense. Calm down. The ROCAF is interested in the JSF, that might be a problem to our fellow PLA pilots. The PLAAF has over 600,000 combat aircraft.

The PLAAF has over 600,000 combat aircraft.

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Um.... are you sure about that? Last time I checked, they had about 3,000 including trainers, bombers, tankers, AWACS, and EW aircraft. The PLAAF has about 1,500-1,900 fighters. The PLAAF has 600,000 personel, not aircraft. Even the USAF only has about 11,000 or so aircraft.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Um.... are you sure about that? Last time I checked, they had about 3,000 including trainers, bombers, tankers, AWACS, and EW aircraft. The PLAAF has about 1,500-1,900 fighters. The PLAAF has 600,000 personel, not aircraft. Even the USAF only has about 11,000 or so aircraft.

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Im sorry, I meant 600,000 aircraft total including trainers etc. Their are about 400,000 personale serving the PLAAF. Keep in mind that China still uses old fighters like the J-6. these make up about half the PLAAF arsenal. Definantly not 3000. Thats way off. China has the largest airforce in the world (not exagerating).

renmin said:

Im sorry, I meant 600,000 aircraft total including trainers etc. Their are about 400,000 personale serving the PLAAF. Keep in mind that China still uses old fighters like the J-6. these make up about half the PLAAF arsenal. Definantly not 3000. Thats way off. China has the largest airforce in the world (not exagerating).

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Last time I heard the PLAAF only had a few hundred of trainers at most.

I'm not sure where you got your figures from, but even when you throw transports, trainers, etc in, I think Spice was nearer the correct figure than you were.

On a side-note, hasn't the J-6 been removed from active service already, even if some are kept in "reserve"?

Im sorry, I meant 600,000 aircraft total including trainers etc. Their are about 400,000 personale serving the PLAAF.

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Are you saying the PLAAF has more aircraft than personel? Don't you see some huge problem with that right there... How can an airforce have more planes than men? Each plane probably takes a ground crew of at least 2-3 to service and maintain. Also, officers, commanders, air defense personel, radar operators, and staff all make up this figure of 400,000. 3,000 is actually an upwards estimate of PLAAF inventory, the actual figure is somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000. And the PLAAF retired the majority of its J-6s. Less than 400 remain in operation today. Unless you are counting drones... but those aren't really classified as aircraft.

renmin said:

Calm down dude. Im not insulting Taiwan or anything
Lets see, the ROCAF has about 400 combative planes, including 146 f16s, about 60 f5s,56 mirage 2000s
and 128 FCK IDF, thats their airforce along with trainers and other stuff. Who are you calling ignorant? You should not be insulting another member Dont take any offense. Calm down. The ROCAF is interested in the JSF, that might be a problem to our fellow PLA pilots. The PLAAF has over 600,000 combat aircraft.

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I'm not the type to get insulted about statements about military strength or all that, and I wasn't trying to insult you.

I was actually referring to your statement that Taiwan's Air Force was mostly composed of F-16s and F-15s. However, looking back I have the feeling that you made a typo, intending to say "F-5s". So if I made you feel bad by offending you, then my bad. (But you can understand what I was thinking)

Ummm..there is no way that the PLA has 600,000 aircraft. Its simply impossible. Moving on.

Getting back on topic, how do you think these exercises will go down in Taiwan? Will they increase support for military spending, decrease it or simply have no effect? Personally, I don't think the average person will have their opinion effected by a computer simuation.

Everyone seems to have forgotten something: All of China's military is *massive*. The corodination required is nearly unfathamable, and they could quickly be turned into an unorganised mass of steel and flesh. Whereas, Taiwan is..well its tiny, and its corodination and organization will be rather good, if not excelent. They will be able to surgically strike China's operation centers, and just clean up from there.

Dr. Strangelove said:

Everyone seems to have forgotten something: All of China's military is *massive*. The corodination required is nearly unfathamable, and they could quickly be turned into an unorganised mass of steel and flesh. Whereas, Taiwan is..well its tiny, and its corodination and organization will be rather good, if not excelent. They will be able to surgically strike China's operation centers, and just clean up from there.

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Dr. Stranglove, Chinese military, especially PLA used to be massive, but not any more. They are constantly reducing the number of people and reorganizating army structures. If you look at PLA's division, it is about 1/3 size of US Army's division, consisting about 8000 men only. PLAAF and PLAN is not even close to massive. The number of planes and ships are not even close to USAF and USN.

In a possible war scenario in Taiwan strait, I see at most 300 thousands of land forces, 400 combat planes, and a sea fleet with supplementary land crafts will be put into the combat region. It will not be hard to manage at all. Taiwan, on the other hand, will probably have the similar number of people and equipments involved. I see no difference between both sides.

As for your comments on Taiwan's surgically strike on China, are you sure you mean that? US probably can have this ability at the first place, but the effect on China will be very minimal. Taiwan, I don't see how they can do this.