Syrian Crisis...2013

Equation

Lieutenant General
Anyhow, let's hope that the US Congress hands Obama a big fat NO in any case.

What difference does it make at this stage where Congress going to vote. I believe the US will make a limited strategical surgical strike only on Syria's soft military targets like SAM batteries, planes, and radars. And perhaps even whatever few naval ships Syria has left. As this point President Obama has no choice but to act one way or another.
 

kalel17

New Member
Well, much of what he says it true from a political and strategic perspective.

But I do not believe what he says holds regarding the tactical capabilities of Syria and Iran.

The Carrier Group off of Pakistan is not going to be surprised. They are well aware of the threat, and as soon as a decision if made to attack Syria they will be ready for any contingency. Short of using nuclear weapons, which would invite whole sale destruction to Iran, they do not have the air or naval forces to take down an alert US Naval US Carrier Battle Group.

Syria has a decent air force, but they do not have the types of long range precision weapons to fire at the US Navy tot ake advantage of it. Unless they have a BUNCH of air launched Yahkont missiles, and I do not believe they have any, or that their aircraft have been set up to deploy them.

Israel attacked and destroyed a large number of their ground launched Yahkonts and the US Navy knows this too and the Tomahawks outrange the Yahkonts. So the US SAG will simply stay out of range as they stage their attacks. This means even two hundred Syrian aircraft attacking at once against the combined weight of five Arleigh Burke DDGs (not four as the authors says) and one French Horizon DDG are going to get slaughtered if they have to enter the anti-air missile envelope of that group to launch their own weapons.

This might be the best opportunity to try and attack these US forces...but it is not a good one given the imbalance of power, weapons, technology, and real combat effectiveness. Therefore, I thik it a very, very long shot that such a thing will be attempted...but you can bet that the US Navy planners have considered it and have prepared for it if tey try...and that contingency has already been communicated to the commanders of those groups, and from them in their planning to the commanders of each vessel.

Anyhow, let's hope that the US Congress hands Obama a big fat NO in any case.


I think the most serious threat posed by Iran and Syria combined are to US assets in the gulf, mainly that sprawling base in Bahrain, they are well within reach of thousands of Iranian missiles and could be put out of operation in short order by a saturation attack. The Iranians have spent most of their time developing assymetric warfare based on using ASM launched from small stealthy boats, they have even developed the Khajil Fars ASBM which has a range over 300km. Khajil Fars are very cheap and easy to manufacture and Syria is believed to possess some. As a matter of fact the first Israeli strikes were said to have been aimed at the lesser version of these missiles the Fateh 110 which the Israelis called "game changing" weapons. The fateh 110 is known to be very accurate which would allow HEzbollah to launched pinpoint strikes at Israeli targets within the country. The Khajil Fars added a new guidance system and is shown to be able to atleast strike static vessels on hundreds of kilometers out at sea... I am guessing that this is one of the surprises syria was referring to when they were talking about retaliating.

The IRGC Navy(the actual Iranian navy is mostly based in the Caspian Sea, the IRGC Navy is the one that controls the persian gulf) is quite capable of atleast causing damage to a Carrier Strike Force in war time conditions, while the actual missiles forces are capable of causing considerable damage to US assets in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.
 

Jeff Head

General
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I think the most serious threat posed by Iran and Syria combined are to US assets in the gulf, mainly that sprawling base in Bahrain, they are well within reach of thousands of Iranian missiles.

The IRGC Navy is quite capable of at least causing damage to a Carrier Strike Force in war time conditions.
The threat to Bahrain is real.

And yes the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Navy is "capable" of hurting a US Carrier group. Any Navy with missiles and halfway decent guns is capable if they can catch the group...but that is far different than them being "able" to do so.

As I said, if the US Carrier Battle Group is out to sea and is on its toes (and it will be) the Iranian Navy is not going to be able to get at them. Like a massed air attack against those five US Burke DDGs and the one French Horizon DDG where the Syrian aircraft do not have a weapon that outranges the missiles they will be engaged with, they will be slaughtered.

Now, all things are possible in war. Any commander can screw up royally and cause death and destruction to his/her own forces. But if the US is awake, prepared, well led, and have ROEs that let them adequately defend themselves, then the types of weapons, their sensors, the ranges, etc. that the Syrians and Iranians bring to an engagement with those US Navy assets are just not in the same league.
 

MwRYum

Major
What difference does it make at this stage where Congress going to vote. I believe the US will make a limited strategical surgical strike only on Syria's soft military targets like SAM batteries, planes, and radars. And perhaps even whatever few naval ships Syria has left. As this point President Obama has no choice but to act one way or another.

So now it degenerate into a pissing match between the superpowers...
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Asif, I will personally have to see it in a much more credible source than Alex Jones and Infowars before I take it too seriously.

He is typically very, very deep into conspiracy theories of all types. Right now, places like infowars, secretsofthefed, liveleaks, and prisonplanet are carrying it...and all of them usually feed off each other.

correct, you are right, when Type 054A was dispatched for Libya entire mainstream media picked it up and now we are talking about a Chinese LPD in a possible war zone

i was just surprised that he even knew that 999 was in the area and even managed to get the name right thats why i posted it!
 
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Also, if Syria mounts a strong defense and launches Yahkont missiles at US ships, or mounts serious air attacks against US vessels, this too would cause things to escalate.

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Jeff:
I didn't think I would ever comment on the Syrian Crisis, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND AT ALL, but based on your post(s) I searched the Internet for what Syrian Armed Forces might deploy against targets at sea. Well, regarding the two possibilities you suggested, there's quite a lot of information about so-called Yakhont (just google it), but since I understand Russian (can't speak, though, after a couple of words I switch to English :) I browsed Russian servers and found the chart shown below (it seems to be a photo of the chart, probably taken at a stand in some weapons exhibition). According to wikipedia, Syria operates 20 Su-24 bombers, and purchased 78 X-31 anti-ship missiles (I don't know of which version); each aircraft can carry up to three of them. I translated the text on the original chart and added some comments ... My rough estimate, only based on the speed and weight of the warhead, is a hit would be as bad as from a 5" shell. How dangerous this would be to a modern destroyer?

Anybody: My email is Krize1938_at_sign_seznam.cz

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TerraN_EmpirE

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firearms blog is keeping count of what the fashionable Syrian rebels are shooting. A whole lot of anti material types, Russian, Chinese, Iranian and homemade. The usual suspects Russian Rpgs not just the classic RPG7 but some newer types to a rebel sniper is said to have a very pricy Steyr rife and rumors of a Aug are circulating along side the ever popular AK. Dshk, pk, maybe a few FAL even a home made flamethrower made from a tanker truck!!. Unlike Libya we have yet to see any make shift armored vehicles or pickup trucks with cannons.
 
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Franklin

Captain
Obama's war act may not pass congress. According to Rick Klein political director for ABC News on his twitter feed that 217 congress members have come out against the war act resolution against Syria. And that's a majority.

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kwaigonegin

Colonel
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I;m surprised no here here posted this yet.. it has pretty much viral.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
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I;m surprised no here here posted this yet.. it has pretty much viral.

How disgusting, and this is a clear violation of the Geneva convention of treatment of enemy POWs.
 
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