Syrian Crisis...2013

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
USN vessels have launched two missiles probably Tomahawks in the Mediterranean from middle to eastern direction

Supposedly Russia tracked them, could be live fire excercise or prelude still needs to be confirmed by independent source though
 

delft

Brigadier
The news was that the missiles were seen by a radar station in Southern Russia on the Black Sea, so they couldn't have been cruise missiles.
I just read on the web site of a Dutch radio station that the Israeli MOD has said there has been an ABM exercise.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
The news was that the missiles were seen by a radar station in Southern Russia on the Black Sea, so they couldn't have been cruise missiles.
I just read on the web site of a Dutch radio station that the Israeli MOD has said there has been an ABM exercise.

interesting, i read these were missile launches off the coast of Cyprus quite near where the Arleigh Burkes are sitting

either way something is cooking there and if anyone knows what it is it will be the Israelis, they will be fully on board as to what happens
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I would just like to share a thought or two with you all, largely as a result of listening to a quite extraordinary interview on BBC radio 4 this morning with a retired US General, who had just finished a phone call with Senators McCain and Graham.

What seemed extraordinary was that the General was happily on air, repeating the contents of a "supposedly" secret briefing just given to McCain and Graham by President Obama.
The content of the discussion is that the US indeed considering actions far more akin to Regime Change, than simply a punitive strike. That of itself comes as no real surprise as both I and many others of you have had little doubt that this is what many in the US Establishment have wanted all along.

The surprise the brazen (and presumably deliberate) way that these secret briefings are being made public.

I can only really think of two ultimate objectives to this whole exercise, one very benign, the other utterly malign.

The benign option is based on the ease with which David Cameron accepted defeat in Parliament last week and which left a strong impression that he was only to glad to have given the "Get out of Jail" Card and that he has absolutely no intention of trying to reverse that decision.
On that basis, I wonder if Obama is now spreading a story so scary that a rejection from Congress is guaranteed and that he too would be able to wipe his brow in relief and then complain about how Congress has tied his hands but that the will of the people must be paramount.

The malign option is naturally the very opposite of all this. This option is based on something of which I have discussed at length over the years on other forums. It is the notion that if the US were indeed determined to retain its position of Global Hegemon, this is the decade in which it must deal with the rising Chinese challenge, because by the early 2020's it will undoubtedly be way to late.
In this scenario, these revelations simply confirm in the Kremlin and Forbidden Palace the total lack of trust in US good intentions and determine to draw both powers into a major global confrontation while it still carries the advantage.

I know that I am taking a risk introducing such thoughts, but his is a "Grown Up" forum and will expect members who respond to reply in the appropriate adult manner

I think on this occasion, you may be reading too much into it. Russia is heavily invested in Syria, China isn't. The only one America might press into a war with meddling in Syria are the Russians, and in a war against the Russians, no one wins.

If America wanted to push China to war while it still holds the economic and military advantages, there are many flash points in Asia they could heat up, things like supporting Taiwan to declare formal independence, siding with Japan over the Diaoyu Islands, or poke Chubby Kim in NK.

If anything, getting sucked into a military conflict with Syria would distract America if its ultimate goal is to contain China by any means necessary, just like how Iraq and Afghanistan radically changed US focus from China to the Middle East during the Bush years.

However, if you changed China to Iran, with the ticking clock a working nuclear weapon, I think you may be onto something. Iran is as invest in Assad as Russia if not more so, and has supplied Assad with lots of weapons and Revolutionary Guard 'advisors'. If Assad decide to make a fight out if it when the US attacks, it would not take too much effort to point the finger at Iran, either with the weapons used, or by intel pointing that Iranian RG where the ones operating the weapons when they tried to engage the US military.

The US can than use that as justification for more robust sanctions, or strikes against Iran itself. If the US is already engaged in a military campaign against Iran, no one would complain too much if suspected nuclear sites also find themselves on the target list.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
USN vessels have launched two missiles probably Tomahawks in the Mediterranean from middle to eastern direction

Supposedly Russia tracked them, could be live fire excercise or prelude still needs to be confirmed by independent source though

Dunno what sort of missiles the USN launched. Perhaps drones.I don't think the USN would be lobbing $500,000 cruise missiles around in such a tense situation or for the "sport' of it all.. This may have been a "fishing expedition" to see what sort of response would occur... What choice do the Russians and Syrian's have but to "light up those missiles?"

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By Dan Williams and Steve Gutterman

JERUSALEM/MOSCOW (Reuters) - Israel tested a U.S.-backed missile system in the Mediterranean on Tuesday but did not announce the launch in advance, prompting a disclosure by Russia that kept the world on edge as the United States weighed an attack on Syria.

The morning launch was first reported by Moscow media that quoted Russian defence officials as saying two ballistic "objects" had been fired eastward from the centre of the sea - roughly in the direction of Syria.

The news ruffled financial markets until Israel's Defence Ministry said that it, along with a Pentagon team, had carried out a test-launch of a Sparrow missile. The Sparrow, which simulates the long-range missiles of Syria and Iran, is used for target practice by Israel's U.S.-backed ballistic shield Arrow.

"Israel routinely fires missiles or drones off its shores to test its own ballistic defence capabilities," a U.S. official said in Washington.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Well Boehner and Cantor just gave Obama the greenlight so I guess it's only a matter of time now before the life expectancy of that poor night janitor goes into hyperdrive. Whoever he is I hope he doesn't have wife/kids etc.
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Well Boehner and Cantor just gave Obama the greenlight so I guess it's only a matter of time now before the life expectancy of that poor night janitor goes into hyperdrive. Whoever he is I hope he doesn't have wife/kids etc.

Yep , war is almost inevitable . Obama has Senate in the bag , there is a small chance Republicans in the House of Representatives will rebel against Boehner , but vast majority of Democrats will vote for attack . I still think that after few salvos of cruise missiles there will be airstrikes , and after that who knows , maybe even boots on the ground .
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Yep , war is almost inevitable . Obama has Senate in the bag , there is a small chance Republicans in the House of Representatives will rebel against Boehner , but vast majority of Democrats will vote for attack . I still think that after few salvos of cruise missiles there will be airstrikes , and after that who knows , maybe even boots on the ground .

Nah! I seriously doubt there will be boots on the ground unless something terribly goes wrong with the plan! either way it's sad that the politicians are not listening to the citizens of the country.. majority of Americans are oppose to unilateral strikes on Syria.

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Obama doesn't need to go to Congress. The reason why is simply to relieve most of the responsibility from himself of not striking or striking. What's different is Obama is basically alone. The fact is either scenario is pretty disastrous for Obama because he drew the red line. Unilateral action looks bad. Great Britain not taking part is huge. He needs a coalition as usual when the West participates in military action because then it doesn't look like an imperialistic action. It's pretty confusing where the Saudis supposedly made a terrorist threat to Putin to happen during the upcoming Winter Olympics over Syria yet the Saudis are not contributing any military support for a US strike? The Arab League wants Assad gone yet they do nothing but give lip-service? Also with what's reported... why would Sudan supply Chinese FN-6s and HJ-8s to the rebels to help the US while China is painted as on Assad's side. Was that just put out there to get China to stop supporting Sudan? It looks like one giant confusing mess which comes with so much bull that is put out there in order to get multiple parties on the same page.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Russia's build up continues today a Udaloy Class DDG passed through the Turkish straits, its 548 the Admiral Panteleyev

Also reported is a intelligence gathering ships the SSV-201 Priazovye passing later today

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