Syrian Civil War

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RedMetalSeadramon

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I don't understand the endstate Turkiye is trying to accomplish in Syria. Why are Turkish nationals like @sequ appears to be enthusiastic with this latest salvo from the territorist groups in the country with no clear goals other than to regurgitate god talking points to the detriment of the majority of the people.

I mean, judging from the Libya example and other shitless interventions a positive outcome has yet to appear.
They think the current breakdown will give Turkey more leverage and allow them to move harder against the Kurds.

There's also some domestic lines about how Assad is responsible for refugees, but that's a low IQ point talking point like blaming China/Mexico for fentanyl.
 

iewgnem

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I don't understand the endstate Turkiye is trying to accomplish in Syria. Why are Turkish nationals like @sequ appears to be enthusiastic with this latest salvo from the territorist groups in the country with no clear goals other than to regurgitate god talking points to the detriment of the majority of the people.

I mean, judging from the Libya example and other shitless interventions a positive outcome has yet to appear.
We'll see how it develops, but Turkey has already been bombing Kurdish positions for a while, they coudn't/didn't want to deploy ground force to do any real fighting, and SAA was between Idlib and SDF. Now that SAA got out of the way Turkey backed groups and Kurdish groups are directly engaged which serves Turkey's purposes.

What people discount is how much Russia was aware of everything in the weeks and month prior. Russia has been bombing Idlib spuratically over the years and clearly have intel gathering there, they knew about HTS force buildup and didn't work with SAA to reinforce Aleppo, SAA's withdraw was also decided and executed very quickly with minimal fighting, so you can't rule out there are some higher level intent.

One thing is for sure, between the three groups, SDF is the one with no external backing and SAA is the only one with air dominance, so they have to make a deal with one or the other or they're toast. The question then is how likely is it for Turkey to ally with the Kurds, vs how likely it is for Russia to have an under the table deal with Turkey to get rid of SDF.
 

TPenglake

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Americans have allegedly conducted airstrikes on the Shia militias reinforcing Assad. If true, it highlights a capability gap that remains between American and Russia, where Russia can only spam glide bombs on fixed positions, while the Americans with precision munitions and intelligence can conduct accurate strikes on mobile units.

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iewgnem

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Americans have allegedly conducted airstrikes on the Shia militias reinforcing Assad. If true, it highlights a capability gap that remains between American and Russia, where Russia can only spam glide bombs on fixed positions, while the Americans with precision munitions and intelligence can conduct accurate strikes on mobile units.

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I just saw a video of an entire ISIS convoy destroyed by Russian airstrike... while the American strike was debunked 12 hours ago.

Ukraine already more than demonstrated everyone's capabilities, including destruction of thousands of pieces of American armour both stationary and on the move.

American tactics are stuck in the80s and Ukraine lost half a million people because of it, lets not pretend they're in any position to talk about capabilities circa 2024
 

Enestori

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There are two paths:

1. Through Russia
2. By sea

..to reach the Mediterranean
Russia is at least 2 countries away from Syria.

Let's count NATO aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean. Italy 1, France 1, Spain 1, USA 2 currently stationed, UK would probably join in and send 1 as well. So there are ~6 NATO aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean.

are they going to shoot down Chinese aircraft in Afghan, Pakistani, Iranian and Iraqi airspace?
Yes, the USA military would positively ejaculate at the opportunity to shoot down Chinese aircraft - without the protective umbrella of the mainland's hefty defences - trying to get past USA bases in Iraq.

Ah yes, the famous NATO countries of... IEA, Russia and Iran.
Russia and Iran don't border Syria. By IEA, do you mean Israel?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Yes, the USA military would positively ejaculate at the opportunity to shoot down Chinese aircraft - without the protective umbrella of the mainland's hefty defences - trying to get past USA bases in Iraq.
Unless they want to kick off WW3 when their forces are still scattered they won't do jack shit.

PLAAF planes openly flew to Serbia multiple times, a country surrounded by NATO, and they didn't lift a finger.
 

iewgnem

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Russia is at least 2 countries away from Syria.

Let's count NATO aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean. Italy 1, France 1, Spain 1, USA 2 currently stationed, UK would probably join in and send 1 as well. So there are ~6 NATO aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean.


Yes, the USA military would positively ejaculate at the opportunity to shoot down Chinese aircraft - without the protective umbrella of the mainland's hefty defences - trying to get past USA bases in Iraq.


Russia and Iran don't border Syria. By IEA, do you mean Israel?
If Russia can get there China can, its not that complicated.

Not that China needs to, China doesnt help Russia in Ukraine either, officially.

But if China does, if you think American dare lift a finger against Chinese military transport, you clearly havent been paying attention to how long it took NATO to "discover" all the Chinese drones sent to Russia

Lets put it this way, if China cares enough to get involved, nevermind Syria, NATO can kiss goodbye to Europe
 

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A picture is starting to show itself of a hastily planned, Erdogan ego driven operation rather than some grand coordinated conspiracy to oust Assad. Turkey's jihadists are fighting Israel/US' kurds and even the "moderate" rebels.

It started to smell suspect to me when Israel retreated from Lebanon, despite Turkey ostensibly would benefit massively from continued Israeli action to distract the resistance's forces from focusing on Syria.

The anti-Assad coalition doesn't seem to have any anti air tools whatsoever. Turkey got cold feet?

The sad state of the Turkish dictatorship is revealed here: they always try to pick fights with those they consider to be weak, when in reality, they have not carefully studied their enemy. They have rendered Turk power a joke among both westerners, Asians and Muslims. How many more turk "nationalists" will give their lives in meat waves into Syria, Xinjiang, Armenia or other places until they get fed up with being low tier villains?
 
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