Syrian Civil War

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Bellum_Romanum

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The opposition forces in the south are organizing and resisting:

A new force called “Southern Syria Operations” declares a state of emergency, and confirms following in the footsteps of the Aggression Deterrence and Freedom Dawn Forces. The main goal of the force is to control the provinces of Sweida and Daraa, amid intensive preparations and military movements in the region.

I guess that your stance on this situation is pro-ISIS separatist groups a.k.a. Rebels/Freedom fighters according to your folks definition.

Where was these brave monkeys when the Palestinian folks in Palestine has been bombed and killed disproportionately to kingdom come? And now these same monkeys are yammering about the great and just Allah doing its work in Syria against the supposed most evil person in the region = Bashar Al-Asad? Hilarious. What a mess.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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China is not going to intervene in Syria, don't be silly. The only significant interest China even has in this conflict is the TIP problem, and that is best addressed by strengthening the Xinjiang border and preventing unauthorized entries in the first place like I mentioned previously.
Why is it silly to intervene? So when China finally reunite Taiwan back are we going to say that China shouldn't involve itself on any conflict whatsoever? How noble.
 

TPenglake

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More and more Iranian militias are cross into Syria, pretty much the only viable external ally that Assad still has.

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Funny that Iran never mobilized them to this extent to help the Palestinians, although I guess it sadly does highlight how for regional Muslim powers the Palestinian cause is always going to be at best a matter of PR rather than a serious geopolitical interest worth pursuing. And if some want to take it beyond that, there's enough rational actors acknowledging its best to keep it a PR issue since no one in the region is capable of matching Israel's military might. (And for all the debates about who won the last Lebanon war, it certainly was not Hezbollah since they're clearly too degraded to provide reinforcements for Assad)

Losing a war to Israel is one thing, but losing the Axis of Resistance is a humiliation even Iran with all its recent defeats can't afford, hence the mobilization to save what's left of Assad's rule over Syria and keep their line to Hezbollah open. Not clear how much of a difference they can make though. At first glance, it doesn't seem like these guys are anywhere near as well armed or battle hardened as even Hezbollah, nevermind the opposition militants.

And even if they can make a difference, its a steep hill for them to climb based on the current tactical situation. Like sure, the SAA has been able to rally and set up a defensive perimeter around Hama. But today has not exactly been a good day for them. The militants seem to be have received some training from Ukraine and managed to kill several SAA commanders in Hama with FPV drones. That's not to mention the fact that rebellions are also triggering in the south, further stretching the SAA and making the potential for Hama to become a cauldron rather than a place for the SAA to rally.
 

sequ

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More and more Iranian militias are cross into Syria, pretty much the only viable external ally that Assad still has.

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Funny that Iran never mobilized them to this extent to help the Palestinians, although I guess it sadly does highlight how for regional Muslim powers the Palestinian cause is always going to be at best a matter of PR rather than a serious geopolitical interest worth pursuing. And if some want to take it beyond that, there's enough rational actors acknowledging its best to keep it a PR issue since no one in the region is capable of matching Israel's military might. (And for all the debates about who won the last Lebanon war, it certainly was not Hezbollah since they're clearly too degraded to provide reinforcements for Assad)

Losing a war to Israel is one thing, but losing the Axis of Resistance is a humiliation even Iran with all its recent defeats can't afford, hence the mobilization to save what's left of Assad's rule over Syria and keep their line to Hezbollah open. Not clear how much of a difference they can make though. At first glance, it doesn't seem like these guys are anywhere near as well armed or battle hardened as even Hezbollah, nevermind the opposition militants.

And even if they can make a difference, its a steep hill for them to climb based on the current tactical situation. Like sure, the SAA has been able to rally and set up a defensive perimeter around Hama. But today has not exactly been a good day for them. The militants seem to be have received some training from Ukraine and managed to kill several SAA commanders in Hama with FPV drones. That's not to mention the fact that rebellions are also triggering in the south, further stretching the SAA and making the potential for Hama to become a cauldron rather than a place for the SAA to rally.
A good analysis, the only thing I would add is that the Russians are too pre-occupied with Ukraine to be able to provide the necessary support which further degrades the chances of succes for Assad. His only way out is to start talking with the Turks which he so stubbornly refuses.

But even that might be too late as any gains consolidated by SNA will be protected by the Turks. While on the other hand, gains made by HTS not, and thus Assad has a chance there to get the lost territory back.
 

sequ

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The situation currently. What they've fought for years, they've lost in days:

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I expect SNA to go for Manbij while HTS keeps consolidating gains and might eventually try and encircle Hama. HTS is much smaller than than SNA (3-4x) so they can't afford to go head to head with the SAA in urban areas.

Ofcourse there might very well be talks behind the scenes beween the various opposing factions of which we can only speculate.
 
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Sinnavuuty

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China is not going to intervene in Syria, don't be silly. The only significant interest China even has in this conflict is the TIP problem, and that is best addressed by strengthening the Xinjiang border and preventing unauthorized entries in the first place like I mentioned previously.

I think some UCAV aid to the government could be a good idea though.
How??? Chinese interests go beyond the TIP. China has already made an offer that seeks to promote strategic interests in the region, while at the same time boosting Syria's economy. It is in Syria's best interest to remain a sovereign nation, promoting its interests in a region where it is already aligned with Iran and Saudi Arabia. Now, I agree with you that China will not do any of this. I think they are afraid to support anything outside their direct sphere of influence. They still harp on this "peaceful rise" theme, while they are seeing their interests and projects being attacked and destroyed by the West and its allies.
 

Sinnavuuty

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More and more Iranian militias are cross into Syria, pretty much the only viable external ally that Assad still has.

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Funny that Iran never mobilized them to this extent to help the Palestinians, although I guess it sadly does highlight how for regional Muslim powers the Palestinian cause is always going to be at best a matter of PR rather than a serious geopolitical interest worth pursuing. And if some want to take it beyond that, there's enough rational actors acknowledging its best to keep it a PR issue since no one in the region is capable of matching Israel's military might. (And for all the debates about who won the last Lebanon war, it certainly was not Hezbollah since they're clearly too degraded to provide reinforcements for Assad)

Losing a war to Israel is one thing, but losing the Axis of Resistance is a humiliation even Iran with all its recent defeats can't afford, hence the mobilization to save what's left of Assad's rule over Syria and keep their line to Hezbollah open. Not clear how much of a difference they can make though. At first glance, it doesn't seem like these guys are anywhere near as well armed or battle hardened as even Hezbollah, nevermind the opposition militants.

And even if they can make a difference, its a steep hill for them to climb based on the current tactical situation. Like sure, the SAA has been able to rally and set up a defensive perimeter around Hama. But today has not exactly been a good day for them. The militants seem to be have received some training from Ukraine and managed to kill several SAA commanders in Hama with FPV drones. That's not to mention the fact that rebellions are also triggering in the south, further stretching the SAA and making the potential for Hama to become a cauldron rather than a place for the SAA to rally.
We will soon find out whether the 300,000 militants from the various groups that make up Iran's mosaic defense are a "paper tiger" or not

With Hezbollah seriously wounded and Hamas out of action, Iran has been left to turn to Iraqi/Afghan militias to help Assad
 

coolgod

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China is not going to intervene in Syria, don't be silly. The only significant interest China even has in this conflict is the TIP problem, and that is best addressed by strengthening the Xinjiang border and preventing unauthorized entries in the first place like I mentioned previously.

I think some UCAV aid to the government could be a good idea though.
It's hard to strength Xinjiang's borders, especially since Xinjiang has border towns with lax crossing requirements. The TIP could easily move to the other Central Asian States then cause trouble for China from there. Also remember the Uigher terrorists brought their children with them and they would be grown up now. China may not have a database of those children who can throw Xinjiang back into havoc. The Uigher terrorists were also know for training other child soldiers, which certainly doesn't make things better.

China probably won't intervene directly, but China will intervene indirectly to make sure those terrorists never come back anywhere near China.
 

sequ

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of how the Turks pulled it off:

While the situation in Syria is still developing and in many cases unclear, one big elephant needs to be addressed: Turkey

While we see many Turkish-backed units (SNA), especially east of Aleppo operating and taking position, it is clear that even the events by rebels (HTS and others) in this sector west of Aleppo have been tacitly accepted by Ankara. In order to understand this, we have to look back when Turkey made a deal with Russia and Iran in the so-called Astana deal, which basically was a division of Syria into sphere of influences and keeping Assad on the throne, which in itself was already a hard pill for Turkey to swallow.

But faced with limited choices Turkey agreed, and its Syrian allies were promised a piece of land. This, however, was shortly later violated by Russia. Iranian and Assad forces with the help of the Russian air force took vast areas around Aleppo and even Idlib. President Erdogan was betrayed by Putin.

While we all shouldn't be surprised that Putin does not give much on agreements, it was a new experience for President Erdogan, who shortly earlier accepted to buy the Russian S-400 air defense system, hoping to meet some of Putin's interests. Well, that didn't work out well.

On top of this, Russia tried to strong-arm Turkey in accepting the "new reality that Assad is going to stay". You see that Russia loves talking about "new realities", because this is what Russia does. It is about the "fait accompli", not about rules or treaties. Putin saw this on top of the events.

Then came Putin's disastrous decision to launch the full-scale war in Ukraine. Of course, he started it believing to be a short affair of 3 days, but almost 3 years later, it is clear for everyone to understand the magnitude of Putin's miscalculation. It was monumental.

Russia's adventure into Ukraine proved to be so costly that Moscow was forced to scramble all resources it can get and redeploy them to Ukraine and the Russian border areas. Furthermore, in order to keep supplies from the West afloat, Turkey became the main conduit, both political and economical.

Basically overnight, Turkey moved up and became the serious player in the Middle East and Black Sea region, which hasn't been seen since the Ottoman times. Russia's dependency on Turkey increased, considerably. If Russian tourist wanted to escape their homeland, then Turkey was number one.

This has been a vast change compared to 2015 when Turkey shot down a Russian plane which violated Turkish airspace. Russian media and officials back then were calling Turkey names and compared it with the IS. Russia completely reversed the tone, because it has become the beggar in this picture.

Moving forward to the year 2024. The triple-humiliation by Putin against President Erdogan back in 2020 was not forgotten, not by Tayyip. The events in Ukraine, the Iranian adventures against Israel as well as Hezbollah's degradation clearly shifted the power balance in the region.

In contrast to some Arab governments, Turkey resisted all attempts by Russia to recognize Assad's rule over Syria, knowing well the weakness of the Russia-Iran-Hezbollah alliance which has been steadily weakening. All what Ankara had to do is to wait for the right moment.

And this moment most likely was reached a few days ago. The collective build-up and attack by several rebel groups was so big in size that Turkish intelligence officials most certainly have picked that up. In case of the SNA, it is safe to assume that they even played an active role.

The decisive conquest of Aleppo can be directly attributed to this Turkish patience. Surely, other components have played a decisive role in this game, too. Syrian rebels, as being directly at the frontline, saw Hezbollah's degradation in Lebanon and its results in Syria, firsthand.

The resulting blitz offensive has completely shaken the power structures in the region. We will see frantic efforts by Iran and Russia to salvage what is possible. The question now is what Turkey is going to accept. Assad for what's worth, will play now even less a role than before, if at all.

Turkey moved from being the weakest of the power brokers in this region to the strongest player. It is still unclear what this means in tangible means and the way might be still very long, but is clear that the trajectory will be a different one. Russia and Iran along Assad are the biggest losers.

In short: Decisive Turkish Victory
 
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