Star Wars & Sc-Fi Talk
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I think a new crew, mainly non-humans, should be the main cast, similar to DS9.
Anyway a new crew should be made because i think Trek fails if it takes a personality cult type view that places the importance of individuals. Trek is more egalitarian than say Star Wars because individuals don't matter as much as the whole, the characters are just military or government officials, no more or less, their role is thus similar important and limited, there are no immortal or larger than life heroes like in Lord of The Rings, one of the many things i hate about nu-Trek is the obsession with destiny that pretty much elevates unqualified and professional douchebags to positions of power they haven't earned or are qualified for.
For that reason, characters should be new each time, to show the Federation is bigger than just two or three people.
Aside from that, let's redefine the concept of exploration: Let's flesh out the Federation as a coherent polity with clearly defined borders, history and member states, laws and economics; all the things that Trek in the past has failed to accomplish because they've been too wrapped up in aliens of the week storylines. Let's continue the Ron Moore style stories about coherent diplomatic and military intrigue with other established great powers, some say this is limiting i call it a coherent framework which seperates Star Trek from just being a generic space opera with interchangable settings and characters.
Anyway a new crew should be made because i think Trek fails if it takes a personality cult type view that places the importance of individuals. Trek is more egalitarian than say Star Wars because individuals don't matter as much as the whole, the characters are just military or government officials, no more or less, their role is thus similar important and limited, there are no immortal or larger than life heroes like in Lord of The Rings, one of the many things i hate about nu-Trek is the obsession with destiny that pretty much elevates unqualified and professional douchebags to positions of power they haven't earned or are qualified for.
For that reason, characters should be new each time, to show the Federation is bigger than just two or three people.
Aside from that, let's redefine the concept of exploration: Let's flesh out the Federation as a coherent polity with clearly defined borders, history and member states, laws and economics; all the things that Trek in the past has failed to accomplish because they've been too wrapped up in aliens of the week storylines. Let's continue the Ron Moore style stories about coherent diplomatic and military intrigue with other established great powers, some say this is limiting i call it a coherent framework which seperates Star Trek from just being a generic space opera with interchangable settings and characters.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Its funny you ask, because in BBT, someone also floated that as a way to make Indie non-superfluous, but Leonard pointed out that the Nazis were only digging in the wrong place because Indie stole the medallion with the Ark's location on it. Without Indie, the Nazis would have had the medallion and known exactly where to dig to start with.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And afterwards once the Nazis melted, had there heads exploded and other fun things, if not for Indi its possible the Arc would have ended up in Berlin.
Equation
Lieutenant General
I agreed, but too many studios are so warped up in attracting younger audiences (smart phone, twitter geeks, reality tv, Twilight watching, drama kings and queens) that are NOT into egalitarian story line. They prefer character building in the wrong way, like over the top dramatization that smart people don't care about. Basically the studios wants to attract the consumer sheep for the chance in return on their investments, but little did they know, they are also destroying loyal Trek followers at the same time.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The problem with JJ Abrams is he admitted he wasn't a Star Trek fan growing up because it required too much thinking. In the original Star Trek series what made the episode Trouble with Tribbles popular was completely lost from JJ Abrams. He just threw in a tribble in Into Darkness as a set piece. It could've been any life form. What made tribbles popular were they were a cute fury menace. There was nothing of that in Into Darkness. I mentioned earlier in the thread a story of an angered Levar Burton who was at some Star Trek studio function where he overheard JJ Abrams say he wanted his Star Trek to be the only one remembered. What's memorable about his Star Trek? Why I mentioned earlier about the Big Bang Theory talk about Raiders of the Lost Ark is JJ Abrams Star Trek contribution is equivalent to Indian Jones in that discussion. I've been reading that JJ Abrams is in nearly daily consultation with George Lucas over Star Wars. Anyone can takeover the Star Trek franchise including a TV series and no one will need to consult with JJ Abrams to get it right because he basically contributed nothing.
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I realize he could've just been saying this for marketing reasons to appease the existing trek fanbase, so take this as you will. During the media blitz for 2009 Star Trek, (Or Into Darkness, I don't recall which.) on the John Stuart show, JJ makes that admission again, but follows up with, saying that he reviewed the series again later on, while doing creating the movie, and came to enjoy Star Trek.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I think before he was even involved with Star Trek Abrams admitted he was a Star Wars fan and not a Star Trek fan. I remember that's what came back to haunt him when he was announced to direct Star Trek. The tribble thing I mentioned is exactly what he did with his TV show Lost. Throw in a polar bear on a tropical island and never mention why? People were interested because they thought it was a part of something big of why every crazy thing happened on the show. In the end many people were disappointed with Lost because they found out they were just being jerked around all this time. It means nothing to Abrams except for a gimmick at most. When he wiped out the Vulcans was he thinking how that would affect the Federation since in the original universe the Vulcans played an important role for the Federation? Or did he just kill off the Vulcans just as a gimmick? That's what I was talking about the "what if" scenarios before. What's the universe ahead going to be like without the Vulcans? Did Abrams have a plan? If you go by the TV show Lost where all the crazy stuff that happened on the show ended up having reason why it happened, he doesn't have a plan and not even thinking about because you know... he doesn't want to think when watching a movie or TV show. If you think about it anyone can do what he does. He's just fortunate that his family was already a part of Hollywood.
Personally I'm a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. I don't know why people have to take sides unless it's like Abrams and you don't want to think about a movie or TV show.
Personally I'm a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. I don't know why people have to take sides unless it's like Abrams and you don't want to think about a movie or TV show.
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Equation
Lieutenant General
Not to mention how in the movie Star Trek Into the Darkness had the character Kahn taking on and killing an entire squad of Klingon's all by himself! I thought Klingon's were supposed to be strong, intelligence and fearless warriors? JJ Abrams makes them look so inept...I don't like it.
But the one thing I do like is the tension between the Federations and Klingon Empire about to go into war. I think that will be in the next few movies.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Equation I did not have a issue with that. Klingons have a warrior cultural base they have superior strength and speed to what a human is normally capable. Khan is far from a normal human he was a genetically engineered super human. And as shown later his healing abilities were though the roof. All humans have a kind of limiter built into our central nervous system this limiter keeps us from hurting our selves with our own strength adrenal allows us to override this.
Khans physical abilities are like those of a top athletes add to this his wolverine like immune system and his strength and speed are beyond any human. In fact if you watch the scene after khan surrenders Kirk hits him repeatedly. Now first glance it looks like Kirk has lost it but I don't think so. Kirk was testing Khan, he realized that Khan was more then meets the eye. And he knows Khan is more then capable of killing his crew. he questions the sudden white flag. Kirk wanted to see what it took to make Khan bleed.
basically you were supposed to say but they were Klingons! Then get a cold chill as you realize that this guy is beyond them.
Khans physical abilities are like those of a top athletes add to this his wolverine like immune system and his strength and speed are beyond any human. In fact if you watch the scene after khan surrenders Kirk hits him repeatedly. Now first glance it looks like Kirk has lost it but I don't think so. Kirk was testing Khan, he realized that Khan was more then meets the eye. And he knows Khan is more then capable of killing his crew. he questions the sudden white flag. Kirk wanted to see what it took to make Khan bleed.
basically you were supposed to say but they were Klingons! Then get a cold chill as you realize that this guy is beyond them.