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Sardaukar20

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The problem is, they can technically reboot it as much as they want but that doesn't make the past mistakes gone, those are forever imprinted on people's memories.
Agreed. Too much damage had been done already. Disney should have rebooted after The Last Jedi, but instead have been making trash after trash for years after that. The problem with the Disney Star Wars is that they feel manufactured, and lacked soul. Their plot typically revolves around a band of brats, led by annoying matriarchs, huddled together in a Millennium Falcon, or another similar kind of ship and going on some adventure. They were actually more like Guardians of the Galaxy than Star Wars. They lack the soul of the original Star Wars films. Rogue One is kinda the exception from Disney. It was decent, but still doesn't feel like a Star Wars film.

Most people set the Original Trilogy as the benchmark. But the Star Wars that I grew up with and wanna focus on are the Prequel Trilogy. While they also had plenty of flaws and annoying characters, they had soul. They were fun to watch even to this day. Those prequel Star Wars had actual world building, while the worldbuilding in the Disney Star Wars is lazy. I can still remember Naboo, Tatooine, Coruscant, Kamino, and Geonosis very well, but I hardly remembered the worlds in the Disney films. When there were side plots, in the Disney films, they were pointless and time wasters. But the Prequels had interesting subplots. Episode I had the Sidious-Maul and Pod Racing subplots. Episode II had the Jango Fett subplot (the Anakin-Padme romance subplot was boring, but they at least had a purpose). And Episode III had the Palpatine and Anakin subplot. The main plots of the Prequels were original and distinct from the Original Trilogy. But for the Disney films they felt like a remix of the Original Trilogy. The Prequels made us feel like there was an actual galactic war going on. They had iconic ships, they had large set-piece battles, their lightsaber duels were impressive and serious, and they sound epic. This is the soul of Star Wars that is clearly absent in the Disney Star Wars. Disney reused all the the ships from the older films. Their battles actually felt small, despite the scale of the setting. And their lightsaber duels were atrocious, they looked like dances. The Prequel Star Wars were not masterpieces, but Disney had ruined Star Wars so much that it made me miss them so much.

When I was a young, I had always wanted to get my hands on those Star Wars visual dictionaries. Back then, the main highlight of Star Wars were the Starships, the Pod Racers, the Clone Troopers, the Battle Droids, the fashion, the various alien races, and the worlds. Today, the Disney Star Wars is focused on the individuals. The Bounty Hunter, the generic Rebel, the generic First Order officer, the fake Jedi, whatever the hell Kylo Ren is, and those dumb matriarchs like Maz Kanata. Boring. I've given up on Star Wars already. They belong more in Disneylands today than in geekfests.
 

supersnoop

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Agreed. Too much damage had been done already. Disney should have rebooted after The Last Jedi, but instead have been making trash after trash for years after that. The problem with the Disney Star Wars is that they feel manufactured, and lacked soul. Their plot typically revolves around a band of brats, led by annoying matriarchs, huddled together in a Millennium Falcon, or another similar kind of ship and going on some adventure. They were actually more like Guardians of the Galaxy than Star Wars. They lack the soul of the original Star Wars films. Rogue One is kinda the exception from Disney. It was decent, but still doesn't feel like a Star Wars film.

Most people set the Original Trilogy as the benchmark. But the Star Wars that I grew up with and wanna focus on are the Prequel Trilogy. While they also had plenty of flaws and annoying characters, they had soul. They were fun to watch even to this day. Those prequel Star Wars had actual world building, while the worldbuilding in the Disney Star Wars is lazy. I can still remember Naboo, Tatooine, Coruscant, Kamino, and Geonosis very well, but I hardly remembered the worlds in the Disney films. When there were side plots, in the Disney films, they were pointless and time wasters. But the Prequels had interesting subplots. Episode I had the Sidious-Maul and Pod Racing subplots. Episode II had the Jango Fett subplot (the Anakin-Padme romance subplot was boring, but they at least had a purpose). And Episode III had the Palpatine and Anakin subplot. The main plots of the Prequels were original and distinct from the Original Trilogy. But for the Disney films they felt like a remix of the Original Trilogy. The Prequels made us feel like there was an actual galactic war going on. They had iconic ships, they had large set-piece battles, their lightsaber duels were impressive and serious, and they sound epic. This is the soul of Star Wars that is clearly absent in the Disney Star Wars. Disney reused all the the ships from the older films. Their battles actually felt small, despite the scale of the setting. And their lightsaber duels were atrocious, they looked like dances. The Prequel Star Wars were not masterpieces, but Disney had ruined Star Wars so much that it made me miss them so much.

When I was a young, I had always wanted to get my hands on those Star Wars visual dictionaries. Back then, the main highlight of Star Wars were the Starships, the Pod Racers, the Clone Troopers, the Battle Droids, the fashion, the various alien races, and the worlds. Today, the Disney Star Wars is focused on the individuals. The Bounty Hunter, the generic Rebel, the generic First Order officer, the fake Jedi, whatever the hell Kylo Ren is, and those dumb matriarchs like Maz Kanata. Boring. I've given up on Star Wars already. They belong more in Disneylands today than in geekfests.
Can’t believe you like the Pod Racer subplot, the only good thing to come out of it was the awesome Sega Arcade game with the actual pod racer seat based on the SEGA Hikaru hardware which was a beefed up Dreamcast.
 

Maikeru

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Can't we all just pretend that there were no Star Wars movies or tv series after Rogue One? Life is better that way.

Leaving kids' sci-fi behind for a moment, I am 40% into Use of Weapons by IMB right now. So far so good but I rate it behind Matter, Consider Phlebas and The Algebraist (non-Culture).
 

Iracundus

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Can't we all just pretend that there were no Star Wars movies or tv series after Rogue One? Life is better that way.

Leaving kids' sci-fi behind for a moment, I am 40% into Use of Weapons by IMB right now. So far so good but I rate it behind Matter, Consider Phlebas and The Algebraist (non-Culture).

I actually liked Andor for showing a bit more of how life was like under the Empire. I don't know now what they plan to do with Thrawn, but I wish the Empire would actually win for once, to show it to be a credible threat. Antagonists have to be actually threatening rather than a caricatured push-over, and it's hard to take them seriously when they lose over and over.
 

siegecrossbow

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Can't we all just pretend that there were no Star Wars movies or tv series after Rogue One? Life is better that way.

Leaving kids' sci-fi behind for a moment, I am 40% into Use of Weapons by IMB right now. So far so good but I rate it behind Matter, Consider Phlebas and The Algebraist (non-Culture).

Andor and first two seasons of Mandalorian are good.
 
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gelgoog

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Mandalorian was never expected to run for that long in the first place. It was a vehicle for testing new series making techniques (virtual sets).


With the original creators leaving for other projects (like Ahsoka) the series kind of lost steam. But at the same time the audience still wanted more of it, so the studio continued producing it. Leading to lackluster results.

While enough of a basic plot was conceived for like five seasons of it, with an actual finale, it was only initially fleshed out in detail for those two seasons. It was supposed to end with the episode with Luke if it ever ran that far to provide some sort of closure for the series in case the audience lost interest. But it could have lasted only three episodes in case the pilots did not get enough of an audience.

There were supposed to be major events/cliffhangers on every season end. The first on season one being the Imperial remnants trying to take Grogu, and the second season ending getting Grogu back just for him to leave again for the Jedi. The third season was supposed to have a sort of battle royale theme to it, where Mandalorian tried to help Bo-Katan gain the throne of Mandalore (undecided if either her, or the Mandalorian would get it in the end however), the fourth season was supposed to lead to fighting with Grand Admiral Thrawn (who was supposed to be the ringleader for a group of Admirals trying to reinstate the Empire), and the fifth season was supposed to end with them fighting a clone of Emperor Palpatine (the whole plot of the Empire remnants trying to capture Grogu is precisely to use his genetic material to try to make a body with high midi-chlorian count to make a Palpatine clone). Anyway, that was just the general idea at the genesis of it, the result is what is out there, it always depended if there was enough interest to do the whole thing and what happened in the studio.

At the same time I can tell you it was conceived and produced by actual Star Wars fans. The original concept work on it was made with some people who also worked on Rogue One. It is basically a space western. While Rogue One is a movie side story which happens in connection with Episode IV, this Mandalorian series is supposed to be a sort of side story/sequel to Episode VI with some connection to it as well.

Mandalorian was always meant to be a whole new IP in the original Star Wars continuum. The fact it lasted this long was a surprise in itself. It is really difficult to make a story work where the main character does not show his face for most of the time.
 
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