plawolf
Lieutenant General
Well what did he expect after making it clear he had no intention of returning for the sequel? TBH, that's far better treatment than if they just replaced him with another actor to play the role.
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Well what did he expect after making it clear he had no intention of returning for the sequel? TBH, that's far better treatment than if they just replaced him with another actor to play the role.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Starkiller base... bigger, more powerful, should learn from experience. A former First Order trash man who can't stomach being a Stormtrooper told the rebels how to destroy it. They're going to have a two-hour movie on the drama that lead to destroy the first Death Star?
I feel that a smaller film will allow greater director freedom, which may or may not be a good thing.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
You should not underestimate the lowest level man that has access to most all areas within the complex. The trash man would be the prime person to gain info about the complex since he not only has access but he also has general knowledge about all the areas due to names of facilities and map within his head.
He may not know which buttons to push nor procedure of how the complex works but he can draw out a map and give names of facilities and size. A person with in-depth knowledge in facility architecture and engineering can give you the details what the facility can do and pointing out the weak points with that kind of knowledge.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The first Death Star the rebels said the Empire didn't expect an attack from small fighters. They're into their third monstrosity and still haven't learned a thing especially since the First Order faction are a bunch of badasses compared to the Empire. They should have rigorously vetted Finn out because they're suppose to be elite. Yeah and a guy trained as an elite soldier of the mighty First Order should've known what were thermal detonators and not bang on them. Why didn't Finn know how to turn off the shields? You 'd figure if he knew how to destroy Starkiller base, he would know how to turn off the shields himself.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
No matter how elite they are there still be the lowest within the ranks especially if you want to operate and maintain a planet size complex. He was also trained to shoot blasters which would be the same as culinary personnel on an aircraft carrier was trained to shoot a side arm in close combat.
The USN probably does train them but do they train culinary personnel to shoot something much bigger, I don't think so.
Actually Sam, I would say that all support personnel are likely trained on the M-4 or something similar, as the M-9, requires a great deal more skill and finesse to employ effectively. Very few troops are issued side arms, most generally officers and special forces.
Equation
Lieutenant General
All armed forces personnel in any country learned to fire a weapon (usually basic assault rifles). But not everyone of them will learn how to assault at an objective or any other infantry maneuvers and tactics that requires a great deal of practice and money. So Fin in reference to being a part of an Elite Storm Trooper that has combat training with some other duties as well (including sanitation, heck ALL troops does it whether on or off base) is what Assassin Mace was trying to explain.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
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Finn says that the raid on the village was supposed to be his first battle, and If you watch the seen you note that the leaders on sight Photon and Ren Both watch FN-2187 and when he turns both immediately guess who it is. Meaning that for FN it was supposed to be a right of passage to turn him to a true stormtrooper, But FN Showed a Conscience. On his return to base Photon Orders FN-2187 to turn in his weapon and report to her. Later She says This was his First sign of rebellion and that she intended to have him re indoctrinated.
Before She could have him dragged off to a reeducation camp however he pulls the escape.
This Conforms to the historical precedent of the Ottoman Empire's Janissary corps Children taken from their Families converted to Islam and educated for battle and war, yet always as Property of the Saltan. It also conforms to the Hitler youth Corps and potentially the aims of a the SS had they won the second world war and established their thousand year reich ( events we should all be thankful never came to be. )
Finn or rather FN-2187 was "vetted" or rather prevented from having a background outside of the First Order. FN-2187 was a Janissary. The First Order basically Raided the maternity wards of Space they control taking Children to their academy and training them from birth in a systematic process probably based on the same seen in the Clone wars. FN-2187 would have been disciplined and indoctrinated for loyalty. That said nothing can truly prepare a man to take a life.
Finn says that the raid on the village was supposed to be his first battle, and If you watch the seen you note that the leaders on sight Photon and Ren Both watch FN-2187 and when he turns both immediately guess who it is. Meaning that for FN it was supposed to be a right of passage to turn him to a true stormtrooper, But FN Showed a Conscience. On his return to base Photon Orders FN-2187 to turn in his weapon and report to her. Later She says This was his First sign of rebellion and that she intended to have him re indoctrinated.
Before She could have him dragged off to a reeducation camp however he pulls the escape.
This Conforms to the historical precedent of the Ottoman Empire's Janissary corps Children taken from their Families converted to Islam and educated for battle and war, yet always as Property of the Saltan. It also conforms to the Hitler youth Corps and potentially the aims of a the SS had they won the second world war and established their thousand year reich ( events we should all be thankful never came to be. )
Specialization. FN2187 is a Storm trooper. Assume this means he has basic combat training, Every Marine is a Riflemen therefore in a pinch you can rally the marines to do battle.
Exactly, and Finn Says he worked in Sanitation and maintenance.
As a General rule all infantry are trained on sidearms, and carbines. Officers, SF and NCO's and some specialist roles actually use them though. But as a rule all are trained on M16 and M4. M4 was developed specifically for use by support Personnel like cooks.
So then we have established that Finn was a stormtrooper and he had a secondary role in sanitation. now here comes Specialization again. if you watch the original star wars films the people operating the death star and the shield base on endor are not the white armored stormtroopers but black suited figures with oversized black helmets. These people also populate the bridges of the Empire's war ships. I surmise that they are the actual Imperial Fleet. When you see a Black suited figure like the Tie fighter pilots They are the Fleet they are the specialists who operate the super weapons and the Shields. "Stormtroopers" are just that Troopers. They are Ground infantry and ground forces of the Empire. The Fleet operates and maintains the specialized equipment when you see Black It's Fleet.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The First Order are a bunch of idiots. My comments have nothing to do with Finn but how he's an example of the ineptness of the First Order. They are nothing as Finn described them to scare everyone and himself. I'm not comparing them to real life soldiers. This is an example of the lazy story telling in Force Awakens that they're going to have a movie, Rogue One, dedicated to the events that led to destroying the first Death Star. It's suppose to get harder not easier if they learned anything. This is not the Empire but the mighty First Order, the elites of the Empire. There was an article I read where a Hollywood journalist argues that Rogue One might confuse people because it takes place in the past. Well how is it going to be when there might be disbelief that it was that hard to destroy the first Death Star where they're going to make a whole movie on it when destroying Starkiller base was so easy. I'm sure many of the characters of Rogue One are going to die trying to get this important information to the rebels when they could've just kidnapped themselves a janitor/maintenance man to get that information and saved them all the trouble.