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I just came back seeing the movie.

It really brought back fond memories of my youth. I saw the first movie now known as episode 4 when I was still in elementary school in the states. I remember reading an article interviewing George asking his future plans in which he replied saying he has a grand saga of 9 stories that can be separated into three part in which the first movie is the start of the second part.
Well I never thought I will see the day watching the story 7. I just hope I live long enough to see the last story on the big screen.

Happy New Years! !

SamuraiBlue said:

I just came back seeing the movie.

It really brought back fond memories of my youth. I saw the first movie now known as episode 4 when I was still in elementary school in the states. I remember reading an article interviewing George asking his future plans in which he replied saying he has a grand saga of 9 stories that can be separated into three part in which the first movie is the start of the second part.
Well I never thought I will see the day watching the story 7. I just hope I live long enough to see the last story on the big screen.

Happy New Years! !

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I think that was Disney's main idea? (apart from marketing rights to toys, LOL) to bring this new generation up to speed on the Saga, film seems to tap into the "survivalist" mentality of Hunger Games, Divergent, type theme which I really don't care for, but do seem to interest my nearly 18 twins, who by the way have NOT seen "The Force Awakens". I saw a blurb, that Lucas is not happy with the new film?? I'm really not either, way to PC for my taste?

SamuraiBlue said:

I just came back seeing the movie.

It really brought back fond memories of my youth. I saw the first movie now known as episode 4 when I was still in elementary school in the states. I remember reading an article interviewing George asking his future plans in which he replied saying he has a grand saga of 9 stories that can be separated into three part in which the first movie is the start of the second part.
Well I never thought I will see the day watching the story 7. I just hope I live long enough to see the last story on the big screen.

Happy New Years! !

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I think they plan to do Episode VIII in 2017, and then Episode IV in 2019...se we should get to see them.

In the meant time they apparently plan other Star War universe movies to give detail and background on the story. For example in 2016 (this year) they are going to release a movie about how the Rebellion obtained the first set of drawings about the first death star. It should be great.

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I also enjoyed it, but didn't think it was all that amazing.

Firstly, as TE already mentioned, it had way too much recycled ideas from the original trilogy.
- wide eyed young force superstar from desert planet, check
- cute droid that holds key data everyone wants acting as catalyst, check
- run into old dude war hero from past wars who acts as mentor and father figure, check
- said old dude dying in a dramatic fashion right in front of wide eyes, check
- Death Star, Death Star blows up innocent planet, Death Star goes boom, check, check, check
- sinister helmeted syth leader, check

If all that repetition wasn't bad enough, Ren was utter hapless as a main bad guy protagonist.

Far too emo, immature and incompetent to be intimidating. Vader was chilling in his day. When he walked into a room, you knew the good guys were in trouble. They had to run or they died.

With Ren, you half expect him to slip on a banana peel and brain himself or go have a bratty tantrum at any moment.

He took ages to beat a random storm trooper in a light sabre dual while literally everyone else was killing storm troopers almost for fun. He failed to even kill said storm trooper even, and got his butt handed to him by a total novice im both force trickery and light sabre duel.

He is more jaja than Vader. I think I shall refer to him as JaJa Ren going forwards.

The key to a classic is a strong and powerful villian to bring out the best in your heroes in order to rise up and best him. Think Heath Ledger's Joker, or Vader.

Force Awakens just doesn't have that. It got rave reviews because everyone was relieved it wasn't another Phantom Menance. But once all the hype and excitement dies down, I think more and more people will realise it is a mediocre film.

plawolf said:

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I also enjoyed it, but didn't think it was all that amazing.

Firstly, as TE already mentioned, it had way too much recycled ideas from the original trilogy.
- wide eyed young force superstar from desert planet, check
- cute droid that holds key data everyone wants acting as catalyst, check
- run into old dude war hero from past wars who acts as mentor and father figure, check
- said old dude dying in a dramatic fashion right in front of wide eyes, check
- Death Star, Death Star blows up innocent planet, Death Star goes boom, check, check, check
- sinister helmeted syth leader, check

If all that repetition wasn't bad enough, Ren was utter hapless as a main bad guy protagonist.

Far too emo, immature and incompetent to be intimidating. Vader was chilling in his day. When he walked into a room, you knew the good guys were in trouble. They had to run or they died.

With Ren, you half expect him to slip on a banana peel and brain himself or go have a bratty tantrum at any moment.

He took ages to beat a random storm trooper in a light sabre dual while literally everyone else was killing storm troopers almost for fun. He failed to even kill said storm trooper even, and got his butt handed to him by a total novice im both force trickery and light sabre duel.

He is more jaja than Vader. I think I shall refer to him as JaJa Ren going forwards.

The key to a classic is a strong and powerful villian to bring out the best in your heroes in order to rise up and best him. Think Heath Ledger's Joker, or Vader.

Force Awakens just doesn't have that. It got rave reviews because everyone was relieved it wasn't another Phantom Menance. But once all the hype and excitement dies down, I think more and more people will realise it is a mediocre film.

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very good "Master Shredder"

plawolf said:

Force Awakens just doesn't have that. It got rave reviews because everyone was relieved it wasn't another Phantom Menance. But once all the hype and excitement dies down, I think more and more people will realise it is a mediocre film.

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Dramatic review may call it such...and for the reasons you gave.

But I have seen all of them as they happened, and there was a strategy in what they did with all f the allude to the old films, which was precisely to get it back to the original Star Wars franchise and storyline and they were VERY successful in doing so.

In the end...the numbers are going to speak for themselves.

I predict right now that it is going to be the most watched, highest earning film in history and is well on its way to achieving that.

In terms of US domestic market, it will probably eclipse Avatar in that role domestically within a couple of weeks, after one month on the market. Heck, out two weeks and already at $686 million domestically. Avatar, the all time leader, is at $760M. Two weeks from now, After the end f the weekend of January 16-17, I believe it will be ahead of Avatar in the US.

And I expect it will do the same thing World-wide, although it will take longer.

It has not even opened in China yet, and it will get a lot of sales there. Within two weeks it is probably going to overtake Titanic for the number two spot world-wide...and will have done that in one month. At that point, it will only be $600 million off of Avatar, which has taken over six years to get where it is.

Anyhow, dramatic review is one thing...but personally, I go by how I felt about the movie, and what the overall market says.

I did not agree with Jurassic World getting to where it is...I personally did not think it that great...but the market has disagreed with me and I have to respect that.

Jeff Head said:

Dramatic review may call it such...and for the reasons you gave.

But I have seen all of them as they happened, and there was a strategy in what they did with all f the allude to the old films, which was precisely to get it back to the original Star Wars franchise and storyline and they were VERY successful in doing so.

In the end...the numbers are going to speak for themselves.

I predict right now that it is going to be the most watched, highest earning film in history and is well on its way to achieving that.

In terms of US domestic market, it will probably eclipse Avatar in that role domestically within a couple of weeks, after one month on the market. Heck, out two weeks and already at $686 million domestically. Avatar, the all time leader, is at $760M. Two weeks from now, After the end f the weekend of January 16-17, I believe it will be ahead of Avatar in the US.

And I expect it will do the same thing World-wide, although it will take longer.

It has not even opened in China yet, and it will get a lot of sales there. Within two weeks it is probably going to overtake Titanic for the number two spot world-wide...and will have done that in one month. At that point, it will only be $600 million off of Avatar, which has taken over six years to get where it is.

Anyhow, dramatic review is one thing...but personally, I go by how I felt about the movie, and what the overall market says.

I did not agree with Jurassic World getting to where it is...I personally did not think it that great...but the market has disagreed with me and I have to respect that.

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and I appreciate that you liked the movie, but then again you see a lot more movies than I do, I did enjoy "Battleship", which was also rather "kampy", but fun, especially when the old heads help them fire up the Missouri, and I like the AC/DC driving beat. I was expecting at least that much fun with Star Wars, and who knows it may grow on me??

Breaking yet another record,

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scored the top New Year’s Day gross of all time in North America with $34.5 million from 4,134 theaters as it approached the $700 million mark after overtaking both Jurassic World and Titanic, not accounting for inflation.

Avatar was the previous New Year’s champ with $25.3 million in 2009 (that was the last time the holiday also fell on a Friday). Force Awakens, finishing Friday with a cume of $686.4 million, is only days away from passing up Avatar ($760.8 million) altogether and becoming the top-grossing film of all time domestically, again not accounting for inflation. It should achieve the milestone sometime on Tuesday or Wednesday.

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For New Year’s weekend, Star Wars is expected to earn a massive $90 million-plus, the best showing in history for the holiday weekend and pushing the movie’s North American cume to $742 million through Sunday. On Saturday, the Disney and Lucasfilm blockbuster leapt pastJurassic World ($652.3 million) and Titanic ($658.7 million) to become the No. 2 title of all time domestically.

Worldwide, Force Awakens finished Friday with a mammoth total of $1.39 billion — including $704.2 million internationally — as it overtook the finalHarry Potter film ($1.34 billion) to become the No. 7 top-grossing title of all time. On Saturday, it will eclipse Avengers: Age of Ultron ($1.41 billion) to claim the No. 6 spot.

The U.K. leads overseas with $133.5 million, one of the best showings of all time, followed by Germany ($73.9 million), France ($61.4 million), Australia ($47.1 million), Japan ($46.1 million), Spain ($24.7 million), Italy ($23.3 million) and Mexico (23.1 million). It’s not seeing the same big numbers in some parts of Asia, such as South Korea ($21.8 million). However, Force Awakens is counting on being a huge player in China, where it rolls out Jan. 9.

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I find the irony of opinions on the internet over this movie is a lot that love it charge those that don't like it as being overly sensitive and protective criticizing it was just A New Hope all over again. Well who's more sensitive and protective when positive criticism of this movie is overwhelming? Some say it was for them not those stuck in the past. Then it didn't have to be a rehash of A New Hope. It passed as visual entertainment for me but as a Star Wars movie was disappointing by the unoriginality. I don't mind a remake or retelling... if it's good.

What was this movie about? Was it finding Luke Skywalker or destroying Starkiller base? Both were half-baked. Finding Luke Skywalker didn't take much. Poe had the map in the beginning of the movie. When they discovered they had only part of the map, they really did nothing to go searching for the missing part of map. It didn't seem important. The only other time it came up was when Kylo Ren told Rey that the First Order had the other part of the map. He didn't need to tell her. They certainly didn't do anything afterwards changing the direction of the movie like as if they knew R2 had the other part so they didn't have to bother.

Was this movie more about destroying Starkiller base? Maybe that's how they thought they would counter any criticism that it was just A New Hope all over again because instead of a droid having the plans to Starkiller base, aka the Death Star, it was a map to find Luke Skywalker. They didn't really need plans because they got all their information from Finn who just happened to know instead.

The whole movie was just a bunch of nods to fans. That's okay but have a story please. Even stuff that I did like the most wasn't enough. If they're not going to give me a story, at least give a good fight. You have a Starkiller base... Where are the capital ships and their fighters in orbit protecting it. I know in the EU there's a capitol ship designed to simulate the gravity well of a planet in order break spacecraft out from hyperspace. They just had an episode in Rebels where such a capitol ship was employed. Yeah can't make it too hard for the characters or that would be called drama.

Poor guy didn't even know about it!

Will Smith found it unpleasant to learn that the fat lady had sung on Steven Hiller, the character he played in 1996's Independence Day. "It was terrible when I found out my character died," Smith told

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Hiller's death was revealed on a

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for Independence Day: Resurgence. "While test piloting the ESD's first alien hybrid fighter, an unknown malfunction causes the untimely death of Col. Hiller," the site's timeline reads. "Hiller's valor in the War of '96 made him a beloved global icon whose selfless assault against the alien mothership lead directly to the enemy's defeat. He is survived by his wife Jasmine and his son Dylan." You can see an image of Hiller's fiery death by

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Smith was "working on Suicide Squad" when Independence Day: Resurgence was being shot, but Smith was approached several times in the past about reprising his role. "[IDR director] Roland [Emmerich] and I had talked about it," he admitted.

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and said it will be very emotional for him when he sees the film for the first time. "The trailer looks really cool," Smith offered "I’m going to be sitting around with tears in my eyes when that one comes out."

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