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Rutim

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Well, the article wrote about Batch I Incheon class vessel dimensions. The overall lenght of the Batch II will be around 122m, width 14,2m and displacement of around 2,650t. Also no RAM but 8 cell KVLS. Rest of armament and radar equipement remains the same as Batch I. The works Batch III will concentrate more on enhancing VLS capability and integrated mast.

On a side not I'd say that Batch I frigates looks like a little nightmare while the Batch II will be much better looking vessels in my opinion ;)
 

Jeff Head

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Well, the article wrote about Batch I Incheon class vessel dimensions. The overall lenght of the Batch II will be around 122m, width 14,2m and displacement of around 2,650t. Also no RAM but 8 cell KVLS. Rest of armament and radar equipement remains the same as Batch I. The works Batch III will concentrate more on enhancing VLS capability and integrated mast.

On a side not I'd say that Batch I frigates looks like a little nightmare while the Batch II will be much better looking vessels in my opinion ;)
An eight cell VLS will give them a maximum of 32 ESSM. That compared to the 21 cell RAM which is shorter ranged.

Plus, they would have some flexibility with those VLS cells I would imagine. I think the Batch II are getting new engines too.

I think the Incheon frigates, even the Batch I vessels, are very capable for their displacment. Very good multi-mission combatants...and the Bacth II will just improve on that.
 
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Defense News said:
SEOUL — The South Korean Navy believes it can deploy two light aircraft carriers by 2036 and expand its blue-water force to cope with the rapid naval buildups of China and Japan, according to a Navy source.

The service has been exploring ways of securing light aircraft carriers based on an interim feasibility study, the source said.

“It’s a hope,” the Navy source said on condition of anonymity. “There are no fixed requirements at the moment, but we’ve been studying ways of launching light aircraft carriers over the next two decades.”

Rep. Chung Hee-soo of the ruling Saenuri Party revealed the contents of a program in a feasibility report last week.

“To cope with potential maritime disputes with neighboring countries, we need to secure aircraft carriers as soon as possible,” Chung, a member of the National Assembly’s Defense Committee, said during a confirmation hearing Oct. 11 for Adm. Choi Yoon-hee, new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “For more active international peacekeeping operations, our Navy should have carriers.”

According to Chung, the Navy envisions three phases:

■ The first is to equip the second ship of the Dokdo-class landing platform helicopter ship (LPH) with a ski ramp to operate short-range or vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) aircraft.

The flight surface of the landing ship is already sprayed with urethane, which can withstand the heat created by the aircraft during operations.

Dokdo, with the addition of a ski ramp, could be deployed before 2019, according to the report, which suggests the Navy procure used VTOL jets from the US, UK and Spain if needed.

■ Second, the Navy could build an amphibious assault ship, similar to the Spanish Navy’s Juan Carlos, before 2019.

■ Finally, the service aims to build two 30,000-ton light aircraft carriers between 2028 and 2036, the report said. The carrier is to have specifications similar to the Italian aircraft carrier Cavour, which can support about 30 aircraft.

“We should have capabilities to deter North Korea, and at the same time, we need minimal capabilities to respond to potential threats from neighboring countries,” Choi replied to Chung, apparently referring to the naval buildups of China and Japan.

China commissioned its first aircraft carrier last year, with three more carriers planned. Japan, whose Navy is classed as a self-defense force, has controversially unveiled a 20,000-ton helicopter destroyer akin to a small aircraft carrier.

More Aegis Ships and Jets
During the National Assembly last week, the Navy unveiled mid- to long-term procurement plans to further strengthen its naval power.

The service plans to commission three more 7,600-ton KDX-III Aegis destroyers by 2023 to develop a strategic mobile fleet. The service has three KDX-III destroyers fitted with Lockheed Martin-built SPY-1D radar capable of tracking incoming ballistic missiles and enemy aircraft.

“The construction of new Aegis ships could be completed earlier than scheduled,” Adm. Hwang Gi-chul, chief of naval operations, testified. “And the new Aegis ships will have better stealth functions than those with the existing ships.”

The Navy will also launch six, 5,900-ton next-generation destroyers — dubbed KDDX — after 2023.

The development of an attack submarine is on track, according to the Navy. The service plans to commission six more 1,800-ton Type 214 submarines to bring the 214 fleet to nine subs by 2023. After that, it will deploy nine, 3,000-ton heavy attack submarines codenamed KSS-III. The KSS-III is to be equipped with a vertical launch tube to fire a 1,500-kilometer cruise missile that can hit key targets in North Korea.

Other procurement plans include the FFX program to build a dozen new frigates with advanced sensors and a wide variety of weaponry. The FFX program is intended to replace the aging fleet of existing Ulsan class frigates and Pohang class corvettes with multimission frigates.

The 2,300- to 3,000-ton FFX vessels are to be built in two batches with an objective of putting up to 24 ships into service by 2026.

The Navy also puts a priority on acquiring reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft. In particular, the service laid out plans to buy the Lockheed S-3 Vikings retired from front-fleet service aboard aircraft carriers by the US Navy in January 2009.

The service will purchase 18 S-3 jets and modify them into a new configuration meeting the Navy’s operational requirements. If adopted, it will be the first fixed-wing jet patrol aircraft operated by the South Korean Navy, which flies 16 P-3CK turboprop patrol aircraft.

“The S-3 introduction will offer a great opportunity for the ROK Navy to operate a carrier-based jet, as the service envisions deploying aircraft carriers in the future,” Kim Dae-young, a research member of the Korea Defense & Security Forum, a private defense think tank here. “From the operational perspective, the S-3 is expected to be used for various purposes, such as patrol, surface warfare and aerial refueling.”

In order to beef up its anti-submarine operation, the Navy will procure six more new naval helicopters by 2022.

In January, AgustaWestland won a $560 million contract to supply the South Korean Navy with six AW159 Lynx Wildcat helicopters equipped with an active dipping sonar for anti-submarine role.

So, South Korea is planning all of the following:

- Build a new Dokdo LPH with a ski-jump to operate as a fixed wing STOVL Carrier before 2019
- Refit the Dokdo itself with a ski-jump to operate as a fixed wing STOVL Carrier before 2019.
- Bulid a large, Juan Carlos style LHA before 2019.
- Build two 30,000 ton Cavour style STOBAR carriers between 2028 & 2036. S-3s would operate off of these too.
- Build three more Se Jong Class, KDX-III AEGIS DDGs by 2023.
- Buid six new KDDX AEGIS DDGs after 2023.
- Build six more Type 214 SSK submarines by 2023.
- Build six new, 3,000 ton KSS-III SSKs after 2023, equiped with VLS and SLCMs.
- Build up to 24 new FFX guided-missile frigates by 2026.
- Buy 18 S-3 Viking aircraft and outfit them for the MPA role.

These are ambitious plans, and would siginifcantly enlarge the ROCN and increase its capabilities dramatically.
 

Rutim

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I wouldn't take this report true... But it's good for 'what if'. At least they should be able to take off from one aircraft carrier, fly over Korean Peninsula and land on the second one ;)

While I agree that we might see F-35B taking off from Dokdo class vessel (or whatever there might be in the future though it will be an extremely difficult task to find funds for more) I doubt we'll ever see Korean aircraft carrier.

BTW - KCVX idea originates back from 1990 when they (seriously!) tried to purchase one of the old USSR carriers. Those plans were cancelled for good after the 1997 crisis. I'm not saying that don't possess the technology to construct one as they have got it for sure. Maintance, equipement, training... probably too much money to sink that you probably can't use in dangerous situation.
 
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So, South Korea is planning all of the following:

- Build a new Dokdo LPH with a ski-jump to operate as a fixed wing STOVL Carrier before 2019
- Refit the Dokdo itself with a ski-jump to operate as a fixed wing STOVL Carrier before 2019.
- Bulid a large, Juan Carlos style LHA before 2019.
- Build two 30,000 ton Cavour style STOBAR carriers between 2028 & 2036. S-3s would operate off of these too.
- Build three more Se Jong Class, KDX-III AEGIS DDGs by 2023.
- Buid six new KDDX AEGIS DDGs after 2023.
- Build six more Type 214 SSK submarines by 2023.
- Build six new, 3,000 ton KSS-III SSKs after 2023, equiped with VLS and SLCMs.
- Build up to 24 new FFX guided-missile frigates by 2026.
- Buy 18 S-3 Viking aircraft and outfit them for the MPA role.

These are ambitious plans, and would siginifcantly enlarge the ROCN and increase its capabilities dramatically.

Maybe thats why we didn't see anymore Dokdo Class because they were working out plans for the future

South Korea has huge potential they can build and make these at home very good they are keeping up with the two other Asian giants China and Japan

It's a flat top Frenzy right now!! I always wondered why South Korea was holding back for so long the need to start building

South Korean shipyards are so busy and will continue for the foreseeable future
 

Jeff Head

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Maybe thats why we didn't see anymore Dokdo Class because they were working out plans for the future

South Korea has huge potential they can build and make these at home very good they are keeping up with the two other Asian giants China and Japan

It's a flat top Frenzy right now!!
Well, as Rutim says, we just do not know how much of that we will actually see. But I feel very confident about the following:

- A second Dokdo. If it has a ski-ramp, then we can be realitvely sure that they will go back and refit the 1st one.
- The next three KDX-III DDGs. This will give South Korea six very capable AEGIS vessels.
- Continued production fo the Incheon Frigates. These are very capable FFGs.
- The 18 S-3 Vikings. Even without a future STOBAR carrier, these aircraft will be put to good use as land based MPA.
- Coninued purchase of the Type 214 SSKs.

Toose plans right there alone will continue the ROKN's very impressive continued modernization and buildup.
 

Air Force Brat

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Well, as Rutim says, we just do not know how much of that we will actually see. But I feel very confident about the following:

- A second Dokdo. If it has a ski-ramp, then we can be realitvely sure that they will go back and refit the 1st one.
- The next three KDX-III DDGs. This will give South Korea six very capable AEGIS vessels.
- Continued production fo the Incheon Frigates. These are very capable FFGs.
- The 18 S-3 Vikings. Even without a future STOBAR carrier, these aircraft will be put to good use as land based MPA.
- Coninued purchase of the Type 214 SSKs.

Toose plans right there alone will continue the ROKN's very impressive continued modernization and buildup.

Hopefully their F-35 order will include 24-36 F-35Bs which would make a credible airwing against potential adversaries. While I realize they are quite capable, it will be interesting to see how they do in an upcoming Topgun scenario against a determined and well trained "opponent".
 
I just noticed in European press:
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(I'm sorry if you guys are talking about Gates' book in some other thread; I follow just a small part of the SDF, and even that my wife doesn't like much :)
 

Air Force Brat

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I just noticed in European press:
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(I'm sorry if you guys are talking about Gates' book in some other thread; I follow just a small part of the SDF, and even that my wife doesn't like much :)

Well, I'm no Gates fan, his "ground-pounder" decision to cancel the F-22, when it was just beginning to see cost reductions due to some of the production costs amortized, shows a decided lack of "depth", as does his little "tell all" indiscrete, "bedroom discussions", out in public. I'm NO BHO fan, but these "indiscretions" place every American serviceman and woman in jeopardy, not to mention emboldening our enemies, and embarrassing our friends,,,,, just a bad show all the way around, and an embarrassment-, very self serving actions, and certainly no gentleman.......Men don't do those things, if they disagree with the President, they may stand up publicly and respectfully resign.

and your Wifey isn't the only Sino-Defense widow, but tell her the Air Force Brat says you are helping to "save the world", really, we do appreciate your friendship and your perspective, but if she tells ya to "come to bed", I'd just say, "I'll be right there honey"... brat
 
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and your Wifey isn't the only Sino-Defense widow, but tell her the Air Force Brat says you are helping to "save the world", really, we do appreciate your friendship and your perspective, but if she tells ya to "come to bed", I'd just say, "I'll be right there honey"... brat

AFB, you made me laugh this early morning, it's dawn in Prague, 30 F ... so thanks! :)

Anyway, I tried to check the statement from that article "the United States would assume overall military command of their joint forces in the event of a full-scale conflict." and found this:
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