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Solaris said:

Exactly. You see a Chinese ship come up port side aft on a Vietnamese ship and seemingly ram it out of the way. But what you don't see are the moments that led up to the collision. How do we know that the Vietnamese ship didn't cut in front of the Chinese ship and then deliberately slow down to cause a collision? What we need are the several minutes of footage before the collision event so we can judge for ourselves who caused what, but inconveniently this footage begins only moments before the event.

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Yeah, I feel there were some moments in those clips that seem like baiting. The second clip was the one that initially showed the cameraman's ship behind port side of the Chinese vessel, then it was ahead, then it cut across the path of the Chinese ship twice. Both seemed to be moving at a fast pace. Then it appears the Chinese ship gained speed but the water wash didn't seem any different. Then one can hear a horn before collision, almost like a car honking after being cut off and couldn't avoid slamming into the car that cut it off. Who's to say the cameraman's ship didn't slow down and the Chinese ship rearended it? Ships don't stop on a dime.

Also, at 0:16, one can see the wake trail of the Chinese ship, it isn't a straight line and then veering port to cut across the trajectory of the cameraman's ship. It shows the Chinese ship actually veering starboard before veering port. Yet, the cameraman's ship stayed parallel to the Chinese ship when the Chinese ship veered starboard before the Chinese ship cuts port and crossing the trajectory of cameraman's ship. If the Chinese ship was behind cameraman's ship, veering starboard initially, and if the cameraman's ship held course, we should see the Chinese ship veer away starboard, yet we see parallel which means the cameraman's ship was matching course of Chinese ship. I wouldn't call that the Chinese ship trying to aim for the cameraman's ship at all.

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PRC bring up HY-981 massive oil rig into Vietnamese EEZ, along over 80 to 100 ships include war ships from PLAN.
And when event happened and keep going, they still denied it: "there're no clash between China and Vietnam".
But it's very clear: "there're" and ASEAN said the fact. You can find the news to know what's ASEAN countries said about this.

Yesterday, Chinese brought up even LPD ships type 071 998 and 999 (20.000 tons) to protect HY-981. If that's water belong PRC like they said, why did they need to bring so many armed and war ships to protect the Rig !?

Some people like Conspiracy theories can believe Vietnam try to play victim role to bait this or that.
But remember the fact: Chinese is very big and power country, and from 1974, Chinese never stop their advance on SCS, and take the reef from other country, step by step.

Well, I will don't say so muc and try to made you believe this or that. Just see the videos, picture, and the fact.

Open in 720p, you can see type 071 LPD class.

[video=youtube;W4yUqYQ_nmw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4yUqYQ_nmw[/video]

HY-981 (HD-981) location:

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Picture from scene, take by Vietnamese:



Chinese Coast Guard vessel (CCG-3401, displacement 4000 tons) increased speed to ram the Vietnam Coast Guard patrol boat (CSB-4032, displacement 400 tons). Lucky, Vietnam ship dodged the attack and prevent the Chinese vessel from damaging them.




HY-981 with warship on background (may be type 052B)

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climax said:

Yesterday, Chinese brought up even LPD ships type 071 998 and 999 (20.000 tons) to protect HY-981. If that's water belong PRC like they said, why did they need to bring so many armed and war ships to protect the Rig !?

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You just answered your own question - to protect the rig that's being circled by the Vietnamese ships that are trying to get close to it.

climax said:

Chinese Coast Guard vessel (CCG-3401, displacement 4000 tons) increased speed to ram the Vietnam Coast Guard patrol boat (CSB-4032, displacement 400 tons). Lucky, Vietnam ship dodged the attack and prevent the Chinese vessel from damaging them.

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Don't really know how you can deduce CCG ship increased speed from a single still photo nor the actual distance between ships looking at the photo front to back.

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A problem with this map is that the EEZs are measured from each country's mainland only. A common argument of Vietnam and the Philippines is that the Paracel and/or Spratly Islands are within their EEZs, and thus their national territory. EEZs are derived from national territory, not the other way around. China claims the Paracel Islands are their national territory. We're not talking about submerged reefs, the Paracel Islands are bona fide, occupied islands. From China's perspective, the EEZ ends 200nm from those islands, or midway between the islands and another country. China believes that the border of the Vietnamese and Chinese EEZs is midway between Triton Island and Vietnam. Since the oilrig is 30km from Triton Island and more than 100 km from Vietnam, the oil rig appears to be within what China considers its EEZ. If Vietnam occupied the Paracel Islands, the boundary between the Chinese and Vietnamese EEZs would be equidistant between Hainan Island and the Paracels.

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Geographer said:

A problem with this map is that the EEZs are measured from each country's mainland only. A common argument of Vietnam and the Philippines is that the Paracel and/or Spratly Islands are within their EEZs, and thus their national territory. EEZs are derived from national territory, not the other way around. China claims the Paracel Islands are their national territory. We're not talking about submerged reefs, the Paracel Islands are bona fide, occupied islands. From China's perspective, the EEZ ends 200nm from those islands, or midway between the islands and another country. China believes that the border of the Vietnamese and Chinese EEZs is midway between Triton Island and Vietnam. Since the oilrig is 30km from Triton Island and more than 100 km from Vietnam, the oil rig appears to be within what China considers its EEZ. If Vietnam occupied the Paracel Islands, the boundary between the Chinese and Vietnamese EEZs would be equidistant between Hainan Island and the Paracels.

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So now we have the answer for the question: Why did PRC attacked Republic of Vietnam and Socialist Republic of Vietnam to rob those Islands !?

And now, They can use it to proclaim their EEZ, mix this to fit their 9-dash-lines.

Another question for you guys: Did Chinese Government announced HY-981 operate inside PRC's EEZ or EEZ extend from Tri Ton Island or Paracel Island !?

Or Did PRC announced in detail about their EEZ in SCS (maps, number ... etc) !?

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climax said:

So now we have the answer for the question: Why did PRC attacked Republic of Vietnam and Socialist Republic of Vietnam to rob those Islands !?

And now, They can use it to proclaim their EEZ, mix this to fit their 9-dash-lines.

Another question for you guys: Did Chinese Government announced HY-981 operate inside PRC's EEZ or EEZ extend from Tri Ton Island or Paracel Island !?

Or Did PRC announced in detail about their EEZ in SCS (maps, number ... etc) !?

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One day, China is going to run out of patience in trying to explain the concept of "finders keepers" and "terra nullius", and will instead consolidate her claim over her ancient territories with military force. Other claimants in the SCS disputes seem to lack the capacity for logical debate and instead can only resort to rhetoric as exemplified thoroughly here; "Why did PRC attack[].... rob those slands!?". Maybe if you refrained from asking loaded questions, other members would actually bother to answer you rationally.

People continuously object to China's rationale for claiming the SCS islands but have no corresponding objections to the rationale of every other claimant; double standards at its best. It's alright if other ASEAN countries have conflicting claims but as soon as it involves China, oh no, time to bring out the stockpile of rhetoric and play 'victim'; faker than the Gleiwitz or Marco Polo Bridge Incidents as far as I'm concerned.