South East Asia Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Not good news at all. Will the impending "Code of Conduct" related to the South China Sea to be agreed by ASEAN & China be of any practical use? Let's see what further actions and reactions by the countries in the disputed territorial waters. As of now, doesn't look good.
Not good news at all. Will the impending "Code of Conduct" related to the South China Sea to be agreed by ASEAN & China be of any practical use? Let's see what further actions and reactions by the countries in the disputed territorial waters. As of now, doesn't look good.
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PRC drag their massive Rig to operate in Vietnamese EEZ, located near Paracel Islands 18nm.
Vietnamese Maritime Police and Fishery Survey Department ships 're send out to stop them violate Vietnamese EEZ.
They're out number Vietnamese ships when they used more than 80 ships (include type 054A and 052B ship) vs 30 Vietnamese ship, until Vietnam reinforce by more ships (69 ships).
Chinese send out JH-7,8 and Z-9 helo, Vietnamese respond by some Su-22M, Ka-28 helos ...
Both side are seem like calm down for now, no more ram, stop spray water canon to each other, and keep distance.
PRC drag their massive Rig to operate in Vietnamese EEZ, located near Paracel Islands 18nm.
Vietnamese Maritime Police and Fishery Survey Department ships 're send out to stop them violate Vietnamese EEZ.
They're out number Vietnamese ships when they used more than 80 ships (include type 054A and 052B ship) vs 30 Vietnamese ship, until Vietnam reinforce by more ships (69 ships).
Chinese send out JH-7,8 and Z-9 helo, Vietnamese respond by some Su-22M, Ka-28 helos ...
Both side are seem like calm down for now, no more ram, stop spray water canon to each other, and keep distance.
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The videos was provided by Vietnamese government. It show how provocative from Chinese forces side to Vietnamese side:
[video=youtube;Uf0453GH40w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0453GH40w[/video]
Chinese ships used high speed to ram on Vietnam vessels with dangerous intention.
[video=youtube;9eTljlkBmII]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eTljlkBmII[/video]
The videos was provided by Vietnamese government. It show how provocative from Chinese forces side to Vietnamese side:
[video=youtube;Uf0453GH40w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0453GH40w[/video]
Chinese ships used high speed to ram on Vietnam vessels with dangerous intention.
[video=youtube;9eTljlkBmII]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eTljlkBmII[/video]
ManilaBoy45
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US, Philippines Continue their Joint War Games
Monday May 12, 201412:27 AM
The US and Philippines troops execute a mock boat raid assaults near a military camp in Cavite province, south of Manila. The assaults are part of 10-day joint exercises between the two countries that have begun on May 5.Some 5,500 US and Philippine troops are currently engaged in the joint war games in the Philippines, codenamed “Balikatan” meaning shoulder-to-shoulder. Balikatan’s main focus is Maritime drills.The drills come as tensions simmer between the Philippines and China over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.The Philippines has recently signed a 10-year pact with the US which allows greater access to American warships, planes and troops to bases in the Southeast Asian country.The US military presence in the Philippines has been a frequent source of tension between the countries.
US, Philippines Continue their Joint War Games
Monday May 12, 201412:27 AM
The US and Philippines troops execute a mock boat raid assaults near a military camp in Cavite province, south of Manila. The assaults are part of 10-day joint exercises between the two countries that have begun on May 5.Some 5,500 US and Philippine troops are currently engaged in the joint war games in the Philippines, codenamed “Balikatan” meaning shoulder-to-shoulder. Balikatan’s main focus is Maritime drills.The drills come as tensions simmer between the Philippines and China over territorial disputes in the South China Sea.The Philippines has recently signed a 10-year pact with the US which allows greater access to American warships, planes and troops to bases in the Southeast Asian country.The US military presence in the Philippines has been a frequent source of tension between the countries.
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Wow. Ramming ships like this, at speed is very dangerous.
Vessels can be badly damaged or sunk, and personnel can easily be badly injured or killed.
Too much of this will lead to vessels opening fire on each other.
Wow. Ramming ships like this, at speed is very dangerous.
Vessels can be badly damaged or sunk, and personnel can easily be badly injured or killed.
Too much of this will lead to vessels opening fire on each other.
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That's Chinese intention: make Vietnamese fire the first shoot. But Vietnam know their dirty trick, and still self-refrain.
The HY-981 was not drilling for oil, it's drilling on region political broad.
Vietnamese Govt said they were made some exploration in block 142, 143 from 1972 until 2000s, and they're not sure that can find oil on that area.
That's Chinese intention: make Vietnamese fire the first shoot. But Vietnam know their dirty trick, and still self-refrain.
The HY-981 was not drilling for oil, it's drilling on region political broad.
Vietnamese Govt said they were made some exploration in block 142, 143 from 1972 until 2000s, and they're not sure that can find oil on that area.
joshuatree
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These clips show collisions but don't show conclusively who's causing the collisions. Aside from the haziness of some of the footage and massive hand shaking, there are moments where the cameraman's ship is first behind the Chinese ship, then later in front, then cutting across the path of the Chinese ship, then crossing it again. On open seas, frame of reference is difficult. One would think that with supposedly so many aircraft in the sky, there be aerial footage, then a clearer picture of who is doing what can be seen. Also, back to frame of reference, how close is this to the oil rig? That could mean defensive measures vs offensive measures.
A realistic assessment would be 50/50 on both sides causing the collisions, especially when there's a whole bunch of ships trying to play wingman to the other and everyone's zigging and zagging.
These clips show collisions but don't show conclusively who's causing the collisions. Aside from the haziness of some of the footage and massive hand shaking, there are moments where the cameraman's ship is first behind the Chinese ship, then later in front, then cutting across the path of the Chinese ship, then crossing it again. On open seas, frame of reference is difficult. One would think that with supposedly so many aircraft in the sky, there be aerial footage, then a clearer picture of who is doing what can be seen. Also, back to frame of reference, how close is this to the oil rig? That could mean defensive measures vs offensive measures.
A realistic assessment would be 50/50 on both sides causing the collisions, especially when there's a whole bunch of ships trying to play wingman to the other and everyone's zigging and zagging.
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Exactly. You see a Chinese ship come up port side aft on a Vietnamese ship and seemingly ram it out of the way. But what you don't see are the moments that led up to the collision. How do we know that the Vietnamese ship didn't cut in front of the Chinese ship and then deliberately slow down to cause a collision? What we need are the several minutes of footage before the collision event so we can judge for ourselves who caused what, but inconveniently this footage begins only moments before the event.