Re: ASEAN military news
LOL How is calling you Vietnamese a personal insult? I think it be more insulting if you think being Vietnamese is an insult, if you are not from Vietnam just say so, don't need to get so work up about it.
As for Sweden, it has every advantage over Vietnam, it has more wealth, more technology, more educated population, no arms embargo, and Sweden is not poorer than any major Europeans nation after WW2.
There is something you don't understand about China, they are producing on their own not because of embargo, it has more to do with how they feel about themselves in the world and how they hope to achieve self sufficiency, China might well go to the way of India just license producing Flankers, but they fact is since day one after China got their Su-27 they had plan to research it. As for their nuclear program, do you even know under that condition it was developed? It was developed under the horrible time of great leap forward, literally tens of million of people died when they were developing nukes, this is not the kind of sacrifice any nation is willingly to take in the 21st century, or rather, stupid enough to take today if your nation's name does not end with the word "Korea".
As for the rest, we have already explain to you why that Vietnam is extremely unlikely to produce anything on their own except vehicle and small arms, but if you choose to ignore all those logical argument that and only listen to your own opinion that they China brought weapons, Vietnam brought weapon, China developed weapon and so will Vietnam develop weapons... then there is really nothing anyone else can say, you are free to live in your own self delusion.
Oh and for India, go ahead and use Wikipedia to check out their inventory, how many of them are made in India, how many of them are imported from Russia and Europe, and as for the warships being produced in India, check out their subsystems, see how many of them are made in India vs how many of them are made in Russia. And no, I am talking about today, you can argue that 50 year from now India will be a super doper power, so what? I can speculate that China will receive alien technology in the future and make them a space age nation, but it does not mean it will come true.
And seriously, there is nothing wrong with being a Vietnamese, I have friends who were from Vietnam and I don't see them as some kind of "insult".
Don't put words and twist my meaning, I did not say being a Vietnamese is wrong or what or insulting. I am saying that you know nothing about me, don't jump into conclusion saying that I am a Vietnamese and suggesting that there are this blind national pride just because I said something in my previous post that Vietnam might be following China footsteps.
You have your own point of view, I have mine, nothing wrong with that, you would like it if you I said something like, "Just because you are NOT a Vietnamese that you think Vietnam is not going to make it, and that is just bias point of view?"
As to wealth and stuff, it can be gathered, Vietnam is slowly coming up and with rosy economic, where do you think the Swedish get a better educated group of people or general population, they are born to be educated, really?
As to China, when they started off, I would say that most of the Chinese are not highly educated, and China is not rich either, and wealth only start coming in after they open their door (which definitely was not in the 60s). And I have also provide you with logical explanation on why Vietnam might be following China's foot steps.
1) Vietnam had the population
2) Vietnam is not exactly small.
Now I will give you more,
3) Vietnam is politically stable
Oh... and Vietnam do have their own R&D sector, they build their own weapons too (might be low tech or what, but you got to start somewhere).
And the rest as in who - yourself and Vini? And by logical... you mean what? China had assistance from Russia during their honeymoon period, China had massive amount of wealth?
I mean... come on, what make you think that if Vietnam wanted, they do can get assistance from Russia and maybe China? They do have their own R&D sector too (do a bit of check in the internet and you should be able to find examples of their research sectors). As to wealth, I already pointed out that Vietnam's economic is rosy too... not really that low in term of GDP... might not be as large as China.
All you can say is... Vietnam do not have the wealth...
And... don't contradict yourself, you say Vietnam not able to produce any military hardware by themselves,
As for Vietnam, just because you see the parallel of both China and Vietnam buying from Russia is does not mean both nation will end up in the same place, aka full indigenous capability of military hardware production. If not for Vietnam's technology backwardness, or the lack of wealth, but certainly for the size of the nation, they just don't have enough people, land, facilities, talents to fully invest into their military R&D to make it worth it, and lastly, it is also stupid if they were to produce their own jets, sub and ships, I mean, how many can they afford? Look at China, they just have spend billions to develop their weapons, and in the end, they can afford to produce thousands, hundreds of them, what about Vietnam? There is no way they can militarize like the way China does, so do you think it is smart of them to spend billions to just produce a few dozen? When they can just purchase off the shelf? Or do you want Vietnam to became North Korea or Soviet Union, which totally over invested in military at the expense of citizen economy?
Oh... so vehicle and small arms are not consider as military hardware... really? As for China - tens of million of people died not from developing of nukes :rolleye:, come on, it concide with the tough period, and people die, that does not credit to these people die because China is developing nukes...
Edit,
Some of the R&D programs by Vietnam, inclusive of shipbuilding capability,
1)
(might not be military ships, but they do have civil shipbuilding capability).
2)
(Vietnam builds they own combat ships... I don't see that if they do not have R&D or not enough could they built they own combat ships).
3)
(Vietnam's own MBT - home grown... oh... but this don't count, because this is just vehicle).
4) vietnam.nsc.gov.tw/public/Attachment/63231815471.doc (R&D in Vietnam)
