South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

SamuraiBlue

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If found guilty UN can place various restriction on PRC's investments abroad like limiting banking actions much like what the Russians are facing now.
 

Brumby

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How so? Are we talking about bringing this to the Security Council?

I think SB is over extending the potential fall out too far into the future that it may not become a meaningful conversation at this point of time. It is still too early in the process to speculate relative to current status.
 

Blitzo

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If found guilty UN can place various restriction on PRC's investments abroad like limiting banking actions much like what the Russians are facing now.

They could try. It really depends on how much other countries with trade relations with China want to rock the boat on this issue. (Far easier to impose sanctions on Russia without consequences, compared to doing so for China)

After all, nations ignoring ICJ rulings which aren't in their favour isn't exactly new, and it's not exactly enforceable.
 

Brumby

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Key points of the Arbitral Tribunal’s decision in PH vs China case
The Tribunal’s decisions were unanimous, shutting down several of China’s statements against the arbitration case.

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Jurisdiction over 15 submissions

Since the case began back in January 2013, the Philippines had presented its position on 15 items relating to the hotly contested and resource-rich waters west of the Philippines.

The Tribunal decided it was the proper body to decide on seven of the Philippines’ submissions, while seven others were reserved for further consideration because those issues “do not possess an exclusively preliminary character.”

The Philippines was directed to “clarify the content and narrow the scope” of its 15th submission which states that “China shall desist from further unlawful claims and activities.”

The following are the seven points of the Philippines which will move forward to the merits phase:

(1) Scarborough Shoal generates no entitlement to an exclusive economic zone or continental shelf;

(2) Mischief Reef, Second Thomas Shoal and Subi Reef are low-tide elevations that do not generate entitlement to a territorial sea, exclusive economic zone or continental shelf, and are not features that are capable of appropriation by occupation or otherwise;

(3) Gaven Reef and McKennan Reef (including Hughes Reef) are low-tide elevations that do not generate entitlement to a territorial sea, exclusive economic zone or continental shelf, but their low-water line may be used to determine the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea of Namyit and Sin Cowe, respectively, is measured;

(4) Johnson Reef, Cuarteron Reef and Fiery Cross Reef generate no entitlement to an exclusive economic zone or continental shelf;

(5) China has unlawfully prevented Philippine fishermen from pursuing their livelihoods by interfering with traditional fishing activities at Scarborough Shoal;

(6) China has violated its obligations under the Convention to protect and preserve the marine environment at Scarborough Shoal and Second Thomas Shoal;

(7) China has breached its obligations under the Convention by operating its law enforcement vessels in a dangerous manner causing serious risk of collision to Philippine vessels navigating in the vicinity of Scarborough Shoal;

Further hearings

The Tribunal has not issued a decision on its jurisdiction on the following seven points of the Philippines saying that they will schedule further hearings “to present oral arguments and answer questions on the merits of the Philippines’ claims and any remaining issues deferred from the jurisdictional phase.”

(1) China’s maritime entitlements in the South China Sea, like those of the Philippines, may not extend beyond those permitted by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (“UNCLOS” or the “Convention”);

(2) China’s claims to sovereign rights and jurisdiction, and to “historic rights,” with respect to the maritime areas of the South China Sea encompassed by the so-called “nine-dash line” are contrary to the Convention and without lawful effect to the extent that they exceed the geographic and substantive limits of China’s maritime entitlements under UNCLOS;

(3) Mischief Reef and Second Thomas Shoal are part of the exclusive economic zone and continental shelf of the Philippines;

(4) China has unlawfully interfered with the enjoyment and exercise of the sovereign rights of the Philippines with respect to the living and non-living resources of its exclusive economic zone and continental shelf;

(5) China has unlawfully failed to prevent its nationals and vessels from exploiting the living resources in the exclusive economic zone of the Philippines;

(6) China’s occupation and construction activities on Mischief Reef

(a) violate the provisions of the Convention concerning artificial islands, installations and structures;
(b) violate China’s duties to protect and preserve the marine environment under the Convention; and
(c) constitute unlawful acts of attempted appropriation in violation of the Convention;

(7) Since the commencement of this arbitration in January 2013, China has unlawfully aggravated and extended the dispute by, among other things:

(a) interfering with the Philippines’ rights of navigation in the waters at, and adjacent to, Second Thomas Shoal;
(b) preventing the rotation and resupply of Philippine personnel stationed at Second Thomas Shoal; and
(c) endangering the health and well-being of Philippine personnel stationed at Second Thomas Shoal;

Final decision

The Tribunal said that it will set further hearings to discuss merits and the jurisdiction of remaining issues and that it expects to be able to make a final decision in 2016.
 

joshuatree

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Nothing more direct than the source, all 159 pages.

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It would actually be a surprise if the Tribunal actually ruled it had no jurisdiction at all. So examining the decision, devil's always in the details.

The Tribunal did not rule it had outright jurisdiction on all 15 submissions. Only No 3, 4, 6, 7, 10, 11, and 13. Those submissions focus on determining whether a feature is a low tide elevation, rock, or island. It also focuses on the Tribunal's authority over traditional fishing rights and innocent passage through territorial waters.

No 1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 12, and 14, the Tribunal only reserves consideration of its jurisdiction to rule to the merits phase as those submissions can be subjected to rights afforded to China in Article 298 and potential EEZ entitlements. I noticed the Tribunal mentioned all of the claimants in the dispute except for Taiwan which means Taiping will more than likely be viewed as part of the Chinese occupied features (one China policy) and will play a very important role when phase 2 of the case proceeds as it's the strongest case for an EEZ.

The tribunal did not address the question of jurisdiction on No 15 because what the Philippines is asking cannot be determined as it is unclear on how it relates to the dispute. It reserves the right to question its jurisdiction on No 15 and has asked the Philippines for clarification of content and narrowing of scope.
 

tphuang

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I hope this will bring some civility to the issue.

As I warned you before, your posting behavior is becoming a real problem.

None of your posts cross the line, but you have a whole laundry list of posts that pushes the envelope and they are mostly in the realm of China is being aggressive or China is not as strong as it think it is or most recently China should not produce anti-Japan videos.

Just to make the lives of moderator a little easier, I'm asking you kindly to try to concentrate your energy on purely military stuff. There are plenty of forum out there that you can post your geopolitical thoughts that would not cause anywhere close to as much reaction as this forum.
 
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