South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

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Korean War: longest retreat in modern military history

After the technologically superior western alliance's humiliating defeat at the hands of malnourished North Korean and Chinese volunteer army, the Eighth Army Evaluation had this to say about their dismal failure:

The Chinese soldier is not a superman. He is well and courageously led at the small unit level and the results of actions at this level offer definite proof that he is thoroughly disciplined. His industry is shown by his thorough fortifications. His conduct of the defense is accomplished in spite of UN air superiority, UN liaison aircraft, lack of his own liaison aircraft and inferior communications equipment. He is operating on a shoestring basis as is evidenced by the hodge-podge of equipment picked up on the battlefield after every encounter. To these encomiums might be added the observation that the enemy was not only brave and resourceful, but also tough.

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After five months of hints,
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, and
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, the US is
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set to challenge
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in the South China Sea.

But the months of signaling will cost us. What might have been a low-key “freedom of navigation operation” — sailing,
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, or training in disputed areas to set a legal precedent for access — may well get a lot more complicated because of the buildup.

“[I’m] still waiting to see it before I believe it,” one
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staffer said. (The Pentagon declined to comment when we asked for confirmation). “It’s long overdue, and the long delay has made it a bigger deal than it actually is.”

“I do think we have paid a price [for delaying], mostly in terms of confusing everybody about why freedom of navigation operations take place,” said
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, director of the China Power Project at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, who recently returned from her latest trip to China. “There are many people that I have spoken to in China who view this as a challenge to Chinese sovereignty, which it is not, or who view it as a provocation, which it also is not.”

“People in official positions” in China are reportedly saying that the People’s Liberation Army should open fire at US forces if they enter the 12 nautical mile zone around artificial islands in the South China Sea, said retired Navy Commander
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. (Under international law, such manmade landmasses do not confer sovereignty on those who build them). World War III is not going to happen, happily, he said, but the bellicose talk shows
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has put themselves in a worse position strategically,” said Clark, now at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. “It was all because the US delayed.” Normal freedom of navigation operations are quiet exercises in setting legal precedents — we can sail through this area, we can fly here, we can conduct operations — but five months of public uncertainty has made this one a big deal, he said.

“The US could have done much better by simply doing the exercise without saying anything about it, and China could have responded probably at a much lower level,” Clark told me. Now, “it forces China to react in order to save face [and] be able to argue to their people they didn’t take this lying down.”

There’s an impact on China’s maritime neighbors, too. “They’re very watchful,” said the Heritage Institute’s
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. “I think it probably came as more than a bit of a shock when Secretary of Defense Carter makes these
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,” Cheng told me. But then it becomes clear when Sen. John McCain pressed for an answer that the US hasn’t gone within 12 nautical miles of any Chinese-claimed territory
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At least one expert thinks the Obama administration has legitimate reasons for waiting, argued
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, director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the Center for a New American Security. Yes, they waited too long: “The White House should already have green-lighted a FONOP and should announce that the U.S. plans to conduct such operations as a matter of routine,” he told me, “but I recognize the White House is looking at the issue through a different lens from the Pentagon.”

Freedom of navigation operations in November could complicate the president’s visit to Asia that month, Cronin said, overshadowing the rest of his agenda and making it harder to get Chinese cooperation on issues from cyber espionage to trade. Sailing or flying within the 12nm limit in September could have scuttled that month’s
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. Earlier this summer, the administration was working hard on the Trans-Pacific Partnership and a climate change agreement, either of which an angry China could have undermined. Finally, the administration needed time to
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, he said, since the primary point of the operation is to bolster local countries and the international community against Chinese bullying.

Our congressional sources disagreed. The long delay was frankly “embarrassing,” the Senate staffer said.

“The fact that it has taken so long undermines the legitimacy of the very legal claims the administration claims to be upholding,” agreed a House staffer. “Why would something that is in such indisputably solid legal ground require weeks and months of deliberation, played out in the world press? The administration should never had allowed a gap in these ops….This should be an absolute nothing-burger, allowing ships in innocent passage to conduct operations that had been done for decades until 2012.”

Innocent Passage & Military Activity

And this should not be a on-off event. “It has to be something that you do regularly, or regularly enough that you establish a legal precedent,” Clark said. With the significant exception of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea — which the US hasn’t ratified but abides by nevertheless — international maritime law is largely a matter of precedents, customs, and norms, which freedom of navigation operations aim to establish.

“It can’t be just one entrance [into disputed waters],” Dean Cheng said. “It will have to be a sustained policy, and whether or not the decider in chief recognizes that is a question.”

“The United States needs to make these operations routine,” agreed Patrick Cronin.

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include. The simplest form of freedom of navigation operation is to sail through a body of water directly from point A to point B, without changing course to nose around or conducting any specifically military activity: This is exercising what’s called the right of innocent passage.

The Chinese are cranky about “innocent passage.” They often take offense at any foreign military vessel passing through their territorial waters without prior permission. But in the case of the South China Sea, just asserting the right to sail through may not be enough. That’s because international law, as most nations interpret it, allows innocent passage even through territorial waters, that 12 nautical mile zone around their shores. So if the US just sails past Chinese-built artificial islets without doing anything else, that’s perfectly compatible with China’s claims that the islets are sovereign territory.

“If US ships … just drive through and demonstrate innocent passage… that doesn’t say whether those islands are real territory or not,” said Clark. To make a clear statement that the islets are not Chinese territory and the 12 miles around them are not Chinese territorial waters, the US forces have to conduct some kind of non-“innocent” activity.

This doesn’t have to be much, said Bonnie Glaser: “One option is to loiter in the area of 12 nautical miles for a period of time, not just travel from Point A to Point B, but spend an hour or two, or maybe go around the island.”

More likely, however, is some kind of explicitly military activity. The
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says a US destroyer will be shadowed by a P-8 Poseidon surveillance plane. “Having the surveillance [plane] is certainly a military activity in and of itself,” said Glaser. “If it’s accompanied by a P-8, that would check that box. The ship itself wouldn’t have to do anything additional.”

If a ship were not accompanied by aircraft, it would need to conduct some unmistakably military activity: deploying its towed-array sonar to practice hunting submarines, for example, or launching a helicopter to look around.

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as I reached the size-limit :)
 

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here's what BreakingDefense has to say:
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as I reached the size-limit :)

Seems like all these legal scholars don't know much about what laws are and how they work, never mind all the other nonsense they are sprouting.

A legal precedent, once established, does not need to be constantly reinforced. It would only need to be referred to if and when a case arises that calls for it to be used/applied.

Thus, a FONOP is only really called for if and only if China or someone else tries to break laws and conventions related to freedom of navigation, by for example, trying to stop ships passing innocently within 12nms.

What they are talking about when the keep saying "legal precedent" is actually establishing facts on the ground. They are not the same thing at all.

A legal precedent is established through laws and conventions, a fact on the ground is established through continuous behaviour and actions. See the difference?

So when western expert huff themselves into a rage about China supposedly breaking international "laws and rules", what they actually mean is that China isn't accepting the facts on the ground they have unilaterally established, and which they are now trying to force China into obeying.

They only keep going on and on about "laws and rules" because that plays better, for the optics, as they say in Washington.

Its also amusing that they cannot find a position and stick to it even within that one article.

At the start, they pay lip service to FONOPs having nothing to do with sovereignty, yet then they let slip their real intention and aim bring out the extremists arguing for "FONOPs" to specifically and deliberately go beyond mere innocent passage, and actually engage in some sort of military activity.

To make a clear statement that the islets are not Chinese territory and the 12 miles around them are not Chinese territorial waters, the US forces have to conduct some kind of non-“innocent” activity
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See how the Chinese might get confused by all this say-one-thing-but-actually-mean-and-do-another, wanting to eat your cake and have it too BS nonsense?

The pretty much makes the point that I have been making all along, that these so-called FONOPs are either completely unnecessary and pointless, or they are about something else entirely - challenging Chinese sovereignty and control.
 
the story by Reuters (with a video inside):
Angry China says shadowed U.S. warship near man-made islands in disputed sea
A U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyer sailed close to China's man-made islands in the disputed South China Sea on Tuesday, drawing an angry rebuke from Beijing, which said it warned and followed the American vessel.

The patrol by the USS Lassen was the most significant U.S. challenge yet to the 12-nautical-mile territorial limits China asserts around the islands in the Spratly archipelago and could ratchet up tension in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

One U.S. defense official said the USS Lassen sailed within 12 nautical miles of Subi Reef. A second defense official said the mission, which lasted a few hours, included Mischief Reef and would be the first in a series of freedom-of-navigation exercises aimed at testing China's territorial claims.

China's Foreign Ministry said the "relevant authorities" monitored, followed and warned the USS Lassen as it "illegally" entered waters near islands and reefs in the Spratlys without the Chinese government's permission.

"China will resolutely respond to any country's deliberate provocations," the ministry said in a statement that gave no details on precisely where the U.S. ship sailed.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang later told a daily briefing that if the United States continued to "create tensions in the region," China might conclude it had to "increase and strengthen the building up of our relevant abilities".

Lu did not elaborate, except to say he hoped it did not come to that, but his comments suggested China could further boost its military presence in the South China Sea.

"China hopes to use peaceful means to resolve all the disputes, but if China has to make a response then the timing, method and tempo of the response will be made in accordance with China's wishes and needs."

The second U.S. defense official said additional patrols would follow in coming weeks and could be conducted around features that Vietnam and the Philippines have built up in the Spratlys.

"This is something that will be a regular occurrence, not a one-off event," said the official. "It's not something that's unique to China."

White House spokesman Josh Earnest referred questions on any specific operations to the Pentagon but said the United States had made clear to China the importance of free flow of commerce in the South China Sea.

The U.S. Navy last went within 12 miles of Chinese-claimed territory in the Spratlys in 2012.

China claims most of the South China Sea, through which more than $5 trillion of world trade passes every year. Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims.

The Philippines, a vocal critic of China's activities in the South China Sea, welcomed the U.S. action.

"The American passage through these contentious waters is meant precisely to say that there are norms as to what freedom-of-navigation entails and they intend to exercise so there is no de facto changing of the reality on the ground," President Benigno Aquino told reporters.

RISK OF ESCALATION

The decision to go ahead with the patrol follows months of deliberation and it risk upsetting already strained ties with China.

"By using a guided-missile destroyer, rather than smaller vessels ... they are sending a strong message," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's Institute of South East Asian Studies.

"They have also said, significantly, that there will be more patrols – so it really now is up to China how it will respond."

Some experts have said China would likely resist attempts to make such U.S. actions routine. China's navy could for example try to block or attempt to surround U.S. vessels, they said, risking an escalation.

Zhu Feng, executive director of the China Centre for Collaborative Studies of the South China Sea at Nanjing University, said he expected Beijing to limit its response as it ultimately did not want confrontation.

"Both sides will be quite verbal but real actions, I hope, will show signs of exercising restraint," Zhu said.

COMPETING CLAIMS

Both Subi and Mischief Reefs were submerged at high tide before China began a dredging project to turn them into islands in 2014.

Under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, 12-nautical mile limits cannot be set around man-made islands built on previously submerged reefs.

Washington worries that China has built up its outposts with the aim of extending its military reach in the South China Sea. China says they will have mainly civilian uses as well as undefined defense purposes.

The patrol comes just weeks ahead of a series of Asia-Pacific summits President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping are expected to attend in the second half of November.

Xi surprised U.S. officials after a meeting with Obama in Washington last month by saying that China had "no intention to militarize" the islands.

Even before that, however, satellite photographs had shown the construction of three military-length airstrips by China in the Spratlys, including one each on Subi and Mischief reefs.

Some U.S. officials have said that the plan for patrols was aimed in part at testing Xi's statement on militarization.

Pentagon officials say the United States regularly conducts freedom-of-navigation operations around the world to challenge excessive maritime claims.

In early September, China sent naval vessels within 12 miles of the Aleutian Islands off Alaska. China said they were there as part of a routine drill following exercises with Russia.
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China's Foreign Ministry said the "relevant authorities" monitored, followed and warned the USS Lassen as it "illegally" entered waters near islands and reefs in the Spratlys without the Chinese government's permission.

I wonder what law he was talking about.If it's UNCLOS he better reread it again and consider which laws he is talking about.
 

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A foreign ministry spokesman did a Q&A with some reporters... a few interesting questions, answers and choice of words
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Q: It is reported that the USS Lassen sailed within 12 nautical miles off Zhubi Reef of the Nansha Islands on October 27. What is China's comment on that? What have the relevant Chinese authorities done in response?

A: The Chinese Foreign Ministry has released a statement on that at noon.

The USS Lassen illegally entered waters near relevant islands and reefs of China's Nansha Islands without the permission of the Chinese government on October 27. Relevant authorities of the Chinese side monitored, followed and warned the US vessel. Relevant actions by the US naval vessel threatened China's sovereignty and security interests, put the personnel and facilities on the islands and reefs at risk and endangered regional peace and stability. The Chinese side hereby expresses strong opposition.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi also issued a solemn warning to the American side this morning when answering a journalist's question, urging the US not to stir up troubles.

The Chinese side has stressed on many occasions that China has indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters. China's sovereignty and relevant rights over the South China Sea have been formed over the long course of history and upheld by successive Chinese governments.

Construction by the Chinese side on its own territory is in the realm of China's sovereignty. It does not target nor affect any country, and has not and will not have any impact on the freedom of navigation and over-flight in the South China Sea to which all countries are entitled under international law.

The Chinese side respects and safeguards the freedom of navigation and over-flight in the South China Sea to which all countries are entitled under international law. In fact, the Chinese side cares more about navigation safety and freedom in the South China Sea than any other countries including some country outside the region. Commercial shipping is different from military actions. We stand firmly against the harm caused by any country to China's sovereignty and security interests under the cloak of navigation and over-flight freedom. The Chinese side is steadfast in safeguarding its territorial sovereignty and security as well as lawful and justified maritime rights and interests. The Chinese side will firmly respond to any deliberate provocation by any country. We will keep a close eye on what is happening in the relevant waters and airspace and take all necessary measures as needed.

The Chinese side strongly urges the American side to take China's solemn representations seriously, put right mistakes, refrain from any dangerous or provocative actions detrimental to China's sovereignty and security interests, and honor its commitment of not taking sides on disputes over territorial sovereignty so as to avoid any further damage to China-US relations and regional peace and stability.

Q: Can you tell us which islands or reefs the USS Lassen sailed near? I understand it could be both Meiji Reef and Zhubi Reef. Was there one Chinese ship or were there more than one following the USS Lassen? Was that the Kunming vessel?

A: On your first question, I would suggest that you ask the US side.

On your second question, the Chinese side has taken measures in accordance with the law. We firmly oppose such kind of actions by the US.

Q: Will there be any further reaction from the Chinese side?

A: China has indisputable sovereignty over the Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters. It is completely lawful for us to conduct normal construction on our own territory. It is justified for us to carry out relevant construction for the purpose of providing public goods and services and facilitating navigation in the region.

If any countries attempt to disrupt or impede the aforementioned lawful, justified and reasonable actions by the Chinese side with maneuvers, I advise those countries to cast aside the illusion the sooner the better.

If the relevant party keeps creating tension and stirring up troubles in the region, the Chinese side may have to reach the conclusion that we do need to step up and speed up relevant capacity building. We advise the US not to take self-defeating actions.

Q: You said that the Chinese side will firmly react to any country's provocation. What does that mean? How far is China willing to go to protect its territory?

A: China cares about peace, security and stability of the region, including that of the South China Sea. However, the Chinese side will not swallow silently any damage or threat to its sovereign rights and legitimate security interests. I would like to point out that the Chinese side is willing to remove differences through peaceful means, but when it has to react, it will decide when and how to react according to its will and need.

Q: Does that mean the Chinese side will take military actions?

A: I have no comment on a hypothetical question.

Q: First, the incident took place after President Xi Jinping's visit to the US. Does that imply that the disagreement between China and the US on this issue is getting bigger, and that there is only a slim chance for the two countries to see eye to eye? Second, last month, Chinese naval vessels sailed within 12 nautical miles off the coastline of Alaska. There was no strong reaction from the US military as they took it as innocent passage. Some people compared China's reaction with that of the US. Do you think they are comparable?

A: On your first question, President Xi Jinping's visit to the US is a full success. Leaders of the two countries reached important consensus on a lot of issues after in-depth communication. It is imperative for the two sides to implement the consensus, ensure the steady advancement of the new type of major-country relationship between China and the US and deliver tangible benefits to the two peoples. Leaders of the two countries had a candid exchange of views on the issue of the South China Sea during their talks. President Xi Jinping highlighted the importance of no confrontation and no friction. We hope that the American side would cherish peace and stability of the Asia-Pacific, value the bilateral relationship, prioritize people's interests and reflect upon its behavior on this issue.

On your second question, the Spokesperson of the Defense Ministry of China has already made a statement. The Strait of Tanaga is open for international sailings. In accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and the geographic condition of the Strait, all ships passing the Strait have the right of transit passage. What Chinese naval vessels have done is in line with the international law and international practice.

The US naval vessel took the liberty to sail across waters off islands and reefs of China's Nansha Islands. It is completely different from transit passage and is nothing close to the so-called exercise of navigation freedom. Instead, it is a threat to China's sovereignty and security. The Chinese side is firmly opposed to that.

Q: Given that the US has sent ships to the area, will the Chinese side continue with its island construction?

A: As I just said, it is completely lawful, reasonable and justified for China to conduct construction activities on its own territory with the aim of producing public goods and services. If any countries attempt to disrupt or impede China's normal construction with maneuvers, I advise them to drop the illusion the sooner the better.


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I think it is very, very telling that the spokesman said "illegally entered waters near relevant islands and reefs of China's Nansha Islands without the permission of the Chinese government," rather than describing it as within the 12nm limit.
I think that suggests they are calling the passage of USS Lassen "illegal" in the sense that it made passage within within the 200km EEZ of Taiping island (which is defined as an island and thus generates an EEZ, and encompasses both Subi and Mischief reefs and the waters around them) -- and of course China's interpretation on the EEZ issue is that foreign nations cannot conduct military surveillance in an EEZ without a host nation's permission.

So in that sense, I don't think China is claiming a 12nm limit around the islands at all and thus is not breaking any UNCLOS, but rather the reason for its actions and words up to now could simply be explained by the difference in position regarding the issue of surveillance within EEZs. I think the reason China is deliberately being vague about this, is to avoid giving the US or other claimants the initiative in knowing where to put pressure on China's actual position.


Also interesting is this part: "The Chinese side respects and safeguards the freedom of navigation and over-flight in the South China Sea to which all countries are entitled under international law. In fact, the Chinese side cares more about navigation safety and freedom in the South China Sea than any other countries including some country outside the region. Commercial shipping is different from military actions." Whether there is any difference in freedom of navigation for commercial shipping versus military ships is something which I debated extensively with Brumby about, and it seems like the Chinese foreign ministry is taking the position I expected them to.
 

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I wonder what law he was talking about.If it's UNCLOS he better reread it again and consider which laws he is talking about.
It is the "law" with certain characteristic. The type that doesn't have to be explained, justified or grounded in anything. It just have to declared that it is the law. It is indisputable. Welcome to the new world order. Lol.
 

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For me the most funny part of this UNCLOS-story and the so often repeated US-hints to this "law" is that the USA not even signed UNCLOS:

The United States was among the nations that participated in the third
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Conference on the Law of the Sea, which took place from 1973 through 1982 and resulted in the international treaty known as the
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(UNCLOS). The United States also participated in the subsequent negotiations of modifications to the treaty from 1990 to 1994. The UNCLOS came into force in 1994. Although the United States now recognizes the UNCLOS as a codification of
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, it has not
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it.

UNCLOS, also called the Law of the Sea Convention or the Law of the Sea Treaty, defines the rights and responsibilities of nations in their use of the world's oceans; it establishes guidelines for businesses, the environment, and the management of marine
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. To date, 162 countries and the European Union have joined the Convention.

Even more important and for me a true sign for the true US' intentions:

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there has been vigorous debate over the ratification of the treaty, with criticism coming mainly from political
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who consider involvement in some international organizations and treaties as detrimental to U.S. national interests. A group of Republican senators, led by
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of
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, has blocked American ratification of the Convention, claiming that it would impinge on U.S.
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. Other commentators have argued that although the
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, the
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and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee favored ratification,
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other US congressional committees possessing oversight jurisdiction have yet to undertake an open, transparent and substantive public review of this most complex treaty's significant environmental regulatory and judicial enforcement provisions, their relationship to the provisions of other multilateral environmental treaties, and the need to amend US federal environmental, wildlife, chemicals and offshore drilling laws and/or regulations in order to implement the international legal obligations the US would assume upon ratification of the UNCLOS.
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It is arguable whether such a review would have revealed the relationship between US UNCLOS accession efforts, environmental legislation previously proposed by members of the 111th Congress and oceans policies adopted by the Obama administration.
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For me this reads like: we call on unlawful actions if they fit my arguments but otherwise I do what I want to do.

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For me the most funny part of this UNCLOS-story and the so often repeated US-hints to this "law" is that the USA not even signed UNCLOS:



Even more important and for me a true sign for the true US' intentions:



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For me this reads like: we call on unlawful actions if they fit my arguments but otherwise I do what I want to do.

Deino

In other words "do as I say, not what I do" law and order mantra.
 
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