South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

ManilaBoy45

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A Philippine soldier patrols a beach on Pagasa Island (Thitu Island) in the Spratly group of islands in the South China Sea, west of Palawan, on May 11, 2015 (AFP Photo/Ritchie B. Tongo)

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Blitzo

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Alert5 is reporting that USS Lassen was being escorted by 052D CNS Kunming during some duration of its presence... not sure if true, and we don't have pictures to indicate.

Still it wouldn't be a surprise, for China to quietly "match" the show of force with its own.
 

Brumby

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Alert5 is reporting that USS Lassen was being escorted by 052D CNS Kunming during some duration of its presence... not sure if true, and we don't have pictures to indicate.

Still it wouldn't be a surprise, for China to quietly "match" the show of force with its own.

I think that would be a good thing if true because one would assume that such a vessel would be commanded by an experienced captain.
 

Blitzo

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I think that would be a good thing if true because one would assume that such a vessel would be commanded by an experienced captain.

I think it's more important in that it shows China was expecting the US presence and any ship that would have been sent there to shadow the USN ship would have had some more relaxed standing orders to compensate for the expected arrival.

Whereas in previous encounters, I think the responses from the Chinese side were likely less due to inexperience on behalf of the commanders, crew, or pilot, but more due to the nature of the standing orders from the higher ups in their respective situations.
 

Blitzo

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A chain is only as good as its weakest link.

Indeed, and a poor captain might result in a ship not activating its fire control radar when it should have (if it were part of China's policy or the navy's standing orders); just like how a poor captain might also result in a ship doing so when it wasn't part of standing orders.

Basically what I'm saying is that interpreting previous cases of "hot headedness" as a reflection of poor discipline by the crew/captain/pilot (etc) may not be accurate, and may rather be a result of deliberate action or standing orders by higher ups.
 

Brumby

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Well, at this point, the Chinese have been intentionally vague because it serves their purpose. But that also means lumping all features into one assumption in a discussion is just that, an assumption.

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One U.S. defense official said the USS Lassen sailed within 12 nautical miles of Subi Reef. A second defense official said the mission, which lasted a few hours, also included Mischief Reef and would be the first in a series of freedom-of-navigation exercises aimed at testing China's territorial claims.

China's Foreign Ministry said the "relevant authorities" monitored, followed and warned the USS Lassen as it "illegally" entered waters near islands and reefs in the Spratlys without the Chinese government's permission.

As expected, the FON was directed at Mischief and Subi because they do not qualify for the 12 nm territorial sea as per UNCLOS. Are you satisfied now that China has violated UNCLOS (international law) as per our recent discussions following the events today?
 

plawolf

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Lol, yeah we don't need any hotheads recklessly enough to turn on fire control radars.

Are you forgetting that it is the US military's policy (and key allies like Japan are more than keen to play along) to constantly probe and test Chinese defences in a bid to trigger responses? Such behaviour have been described as a kind of "mock attack", designed to gather intel as to the PLA's readiness and defensive posture and "red lines".

Basically, the US, and the Japanese appears especially keen to act as the US military's cats paw in this regard, constantly push the envelope to see at what point the PLA starts to consider their acts hostile and take appropriate countermeasures. Some the stunts the Japanese military are reported to have pulled are like things out of the Cold War.

Funny how its suddenly all too much when they get the reaction they were looking for.
 
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