Just as I had commented previously, US violated the China's territorial waters under UNCLOS definition of territorial waters using straight baselines. Thanks
South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)
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SamuraiBlue
Captain
You are missing the point, there is no such thing as non-innocent or innocent passage in international waters since they do not belong to anyone.
The US military can start a war game at the door steps of those islands if they wanted to do since it is widely accepted as Freedom of Navigation within international waters.
Blackstone
Brigadier
That's Communist China's interpretation, and who knows it might actually be right, by winning the case at the ICJ. Until then, current international norm is it's OK to conduct operations in another nation's EEZ.
In my view, there's an opportunity for China to display some leadership in the matter by taking the US to the international court. If it wins, then US has a tough choice on its hands. If China loses, then it can gracefully bow out, and in addition, it can also use the same FON principles to serve its own interests when it finally has a blue water navy with global reach. Something close to the USN.
Territorial waters as defined under UNCLOS is international Law. You are confusing EEZ with territorial waters. Also, there is nothing communist with China's interpretation. Care of explain why this is a communist Chinese interpretation.
reposting the incident from one month ago.
China protests 'illegal,' 'provocative' U.S. South China Sea patrol
China's Defense Ministry said that a patrol by a U.S. warship in the South China Sea on Friday was "illegal" and "provocative" and that it had lodged a protest with the United States.
In a statement on its website, the ministry said two Chinese warships had warned the U.S. warship to leave during the patrol. It added that the Chinese military would increase air and sea patrols according to need.
U.S. defense officials said the guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur challenged "excessive maritime claims" in a patrol near the Paracel Islands, among a string of islets, reefs and shoals over which China has territorial disputes with its neighbors.
The Chinese Defense Ministry said two warships, the Guangzhou and the Luoyang, warned the U.S. vessel to leave.
It said China had declared its "baseline" for the Paracel Islands in 1996, something the United States was clear about. Despite that, the Chinese government said, the United States had sent a ship into Chinese "territorial waters."
“This is serious illegal behavior, and is intentionally provocative behavior. China’s Defense Ministry is resolutely opposed to this and has lodged serious representations with the U.S. side,” it said.
The ministry statement said that as a result of hard work by countries in the region, the situation in the South China Sea had seen positive developments, but the United States had conducted the patrol, “motivated by a desire to see the world in chaos."
"This shows that it is the United States which is the troublemaker when it comes to the stability of the South China Sea."
The ministry said the patrol had seriously damaged mutual trust between the two countries and added:
"We strongly urge the U.S. side to respect China’s national sovereignty and security interests, and not keep repeating the same mistakes. The Chinese military will increase its air and maritime patrol efforts in accordance with need, strengthen defense ability building in all areas, and resolutely defend national sovereignty and security."
(Reporting by Ben Blanchard in Beijing; Editing by David Brunnstrom and Jeffrey Benkoe)
China protests 'illegal,' 'provocative' U.S. South China Sea patrol
China's Defense Ministry said that a patrol by a U.S. warship in the South China Sea on Friday was "illegal" and "provocative" and that it had lodged a protest with the United States.
In a statement on its website, the ministry said two Chinese warships had warned the U.S. warship to leave during the patrol. It added that the Chinese military would increase air and sea patrols according to need.
U.S. defense officials said the guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur challenged "excessive maritime claims" in a patrol near the Paracel Islands, among a string of islets, reefs and shoals over which China has territorial disputes with its neighbors.
The Chinese Defense Ministry said two warships, the Guangzhou and the Luoyang, warned the U.S. vessel to leave.
It said China had declared its "baseline" for the Paracel Islands in 1996, something the United States was clear about. Despite that, the Chinese government said, the United States had sent a ship into Chinese "territorial waters."
“This is serious illegal behavior, and is intentionally provocative behavior. China’s Defense Ministry is resolutely opposed to this and has lodged serious representations with the U.S. side,” it said.
The ministry statement said that as a result of hard work by countries in the region, the situation in the South China Sea had seen positive developments, but the United States had conducted the patrol, “motivated by a desire to see the world in chaos."
"This shows that it is the United States which is the troublemaker when it comes to the stability of the South China Sea."
The ministry said the patrol had seriously damaged mutual trust between the two countries and added:
"We strongly urge the U.S. side to respect China’s national sovereignty and security interests, and not keep repeating the same mistakes. The Chinese military will increase its air and maritime patrol efforts in accordance with need, strengthen defense ability building in all areas, and resolutely defend national sovereignty and security."
(Reporting by Ben Blanchard in Beijing; Editing by David Brunnstrom and Jeffrey Benkoe)
Blackstone
Brigadier
What territorial waters are you talking about? If the USS Decatur was within 500m of artificial islands, 3mi of rocks, or 12 mi of islands, then China will have to provide evidence. All we hear is screeching about US violating Chinese territorial waters, but no proof. The Commies should put up or shut up.
We are talking about the US Decatur sailing within the baseline of islands in the Paracel Islands, not spratly. These are not artificial islands and they are entitled to baseline under UNCLOS treaty, Now, What is communist about this interpretation?
Blackstone
Brigadier
Answer a simple question please: did the USS Decatur violate any of these territorial limits?
- Within 500 meters of a Chinese artificial island?
- Within 3 mi of a Chinese rock?
- Within 12 mi of a Chinese natural island?
Interestingly, in 2011 I spoke to a Senior Western Naval hydrographer during a cocktail party regarding ownership of reefs/outcrops/"islands" in the South China Sea. He was very frank stating: "The country that has the strongest Navy owns these waters". This was an experienced Hydrographer, who knows matters relating to EEZ, territorial water etc. However, this Senior Naval Officer was being honest, based on his knowledge of past history. Colonial Powers (Dutch, British, Portuguese) during different periods dominated the segments of waters of this region, with their warships. "Who Dares Win" is included in today's geo-strategic considerations. On the bright side, I quote the Chinese idiom: Crisis & Opportunity ("Wei Ji" - when there is a crisis there is opportunity) - hopefully leading to Peace & Prosperity.
Next time do your own research. This was the article you were commenting about one month ago. China Defense Ministry is saying Decatur violated the "Communist" Unclos Baseline for the "communist" Triton and Woody Islands, I quoted the Communist for humour. Blackstone Like? YES?
WORLD NEWS | Fri Oct 21, 2016 | 9:38am EDT
Exclusive: U.S. carries out freedom-of-navigation operation in South China Sea - officials
A U.S. navy warship carried out a freedom-of-navigation operation in the South China Sea on Friday near islands claimed by China and two other Asian countries, U.S. officials told Reuters.
The guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur challenged "excessive maritime claims near the Paracel Islands," specifically Triton and Woody Islands, claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam, the U.S. officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The Pentagon declined to comment.
(Reporting by Idrees Ali, Matt Spetalnick and David Brunnstrom; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)
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