AeroEngineer
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Guys don't listen to this .... !!
No personnel offence, no name-calling and no national bashing !
Deino
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South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)
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Guys don't listen to this .... !!
No personnel offence, no name-calling and no national bashing !
Deino
Brumby
Major
You are making accusations that are either based on your imagination that is working in overdrive or due to some external stimuli that has caused some disconnect in your reasoning. How much or little research I need to conduct is not determined by you and neither are you privy to the actual process that I go through. Making groundless accusations just demonstrate low character.
President Duterte is charting a different course to that of Aquino ....America will not be happy.
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() 09:44, June 11, 2016
The incoming new government of the Philippines has indicated a desire for talks to solve its territorial dispute with China, igniting hopes that a fresh atmosphere can replace the chaos in the South China Sea that has characterized the past few years.
China has responded warmly by vowing to treat the Philippines as a "partner of priority" in regional cooperation.
Salvador Panelo, spokesman for President-Elect Rodrigo Duterte, said on Thursday that the incoming leader has "determined on friendly ties with China".
"The new Philippine government will carry out bilateral talks with China," Panelo said in Manila, according to China News Service. He made the remarks at an evening party marking the 41st anniversary of diplomatic ties. Duterte will take office on June 30.
Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Zhao Jianhua said at the event that good relations between Beijing and Manila are in line with the basic interests of the two peoples, the news report said.
"The Philippines is an important country on the Maritime Silk Road and a founding member of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank," he said.
China is willing to view the Philippines as "a partner of priority" in the Belt and Road Initiative, in regional trade, industrial capacity cooperation and other areas, the report quoted Zhao as saying.
"We're willing to work with the new government of the Philippines to draw a new blueprint to lead bilateral relations back to the channel of healthy development," Zhao said, drawing applause from the audience.
Perfecto Yasay, the incoming Philippine foreign minister, said on Thursday in an interview published in the Chinese Commercial News that he will "invite China to join us to ensure peaceful settlement of our conflicts and difficulties".
Duterte said earlier that he would consider bilateral dialogue with China on the South China Sea issue if multilateral talks fail to make progress.
China's Foreign Ministry issued a statement on Wednesday insisting on bilateral negotiations with the Philippines to solve the South China Sea issue. It said Manila had shut the door to dialogue by seeking to settle the dispute through the international tribunal of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.
A ruling by the international arbitration body is expected within weeks. The process was launched by the Philippines to challenge China's territorial claims in the South China Sea.
Beijing has expressed strong opposition to the move, the Foreign Ministry statement said.
The Chinese Society of International Law on Friday released a paper saying any award by the tribunal is "null and void". It said the body's claim of jurisdiction, issued in October, filled with errors both of fact and the application of law. It cited six major errors by the tribunal.
"Political decisions will have no legal effect," the paper said.
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() 09:44, June 11, 2016
The incoming new government of the Philippines has indicated a desire for talks to solve its territorial dispute with China, igniting hopes that a fresh atmosphere can replace the chaos in the South China Sea that has characterized the past few years.
China has responded warmly by vowing to treat the Philippines as a "partner of priority" in regional cooperation.
Salvador Panelo, spokesman for President-Elect Rodrigo Duterte, said on Thursday that the incoming leader has "determined on friendly ties with China".
"The new Philippine government will carry out bilateral talks with China," Panelo said in Manila, according to China News Service. He made the remarks at an evening party marking the 41st anniversary of diplomatic ties. Duterte will take office on June 30.
Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Zhao Jianhua said at the event that good relations between Beijing and Manila are in line with the basic interests of the two peoples, the news report said.
"The Philippines is an important country on the Maritime Silk Road and a founding member of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank," he said.
China is willing to view the Philippines as "a partner of priority" in the Belt and Road Initiative, in regional trade, industrial capacity cooperation and other areas, the report quoted Zhao as saying.
"We're willing to work with the new government of the Philippines to draw a new blueprint to lead bilateral relations back to the channel of healthy development," Zhao said, drawing applause from the audience.
Perfecto Yasay, the incoming Philippine foreign minister, said on Thursday in an interview published in the Chinese Commercial News that he will "invite China to join us to ensure peaceful settlement of our conflicts and difficulties".
Duterte said earlier that he would consider bilateral dialogue with China on the South China Sea issue if multilateral talks fail to make progress.
China's Foreign Ministry issued a statement on Wednesday insisting on bilateral negotiations with the Philippines to solve the South China Sea issue. It said Manila had shut the door to dialogue by seeking to settle the dispute through the international tribunal of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.
A ruling by the international arbitration body is expected within weeks. The process was launched by the Philippines to challenge China's territorial claims in the South China Sea.
Beijing has expressed strong opposition to the move, the Foreign Ministry statement said.
The Chinese Society of International Law on Friday released a paper saying any award by the tribunal is "null and void". It said the body's claim of jurisdiction, issued in October, filled with errors both of fact and the application of law. It cited six major errors by the tribunal.
"Political decisions will have no legal effect," the paper said.
@Janiz
No it isn't a lie. In the 1930/40s when the military held sway in fascist Japan, it's not a secret that Koreans were required to take Japanese names and that all Korean Language teaching disappeared.
When Japan first ruled Korea as a colony, and dissent was crushed. But after a while, people resign themselves to their situation, because Japanese rule was relatively benign and people do want to get on. (One could also point to various armies raised by colonial powers elsewhere such as the USA/France/UK etc)
But then Imperial Japan becomes expansionist Fascist Japan, which is the last experience of what the Koreans remember of Japanese rule. But the biggest issue is that Korean national identity was built around the idea of ethno-religious superiority/insularity/victimhood which was inherited from Fascist Japan. The ironic thing is that this philosophy is now directed against Japan.
The other problem is that both Korea and Japan have never really delved into that painful past.
The Korean post-war government was deeply complicit and ashamed of that period, so they never had any interest in bringing up the past. And Japan preferred to forget as well, because it would require some very harsh evaluations of colonial actions and apologies from the Emperor.
In addition, any Japanese self-criticism of its Korean actions would invite comparison with the savagery and barbarity that occurred when Japan tried to conquer China.
Plus it's not really me that you need to convince, because I'm an outsider to the region. It is Korea and China in particular that keep these grievances alive and in the global consciousness, fanned by the unrepentant actions of the Japanese right-wing that Prime Minister Abe condones.
No it isn't a lie. In the 1930/40s when the military held sway in fascist Japan, it's not a secret that Koreans were required to take Japanese names and that all Korean Language teaching disappeared.
When Japan first ruled Korea as a colony, and dissent was crushed. But after a while, people resign themselves to their situation, because Japanese rule was relatively benign and people do want to get on. (One could also point to various armies raised by colonial powers elsewhere such as the USA/France/UK etc)
But then Imperial Japan becomes expansionist Fascist Japan, which is the last experience of what the Koreans remember of Japanese rule. But the biggest issue is that Korean national identity was built around the idea of ethno-religious superiority/insularity/victimhood which was inherited from Fascist Japan. The ironic thing is that this philosophy is now directed against Japan.
The other problem is that both Korea and Japan have never really delved into that painful past.
The Korean post-war government was deeply complicit and ashamed of that period, so they never had any interest in bringing up the past. And Japan preferred to forget as well, because it would require some very harsh evaluations of colonial actions and apologies from the Emperor.
In addition, any Japanese self-criticism of its Korean actions would invite comparison with the savagery and barbarity that occurred when Japan tried to conquer China.
Plus it's not really me that you need to convince, because I'm an outsider to the region. It is Korea and China in particular that keep these grievances alive and in the global consciousness, fanned by the unrepentant actions of the Japanese right-wing that Prime Minister Abe condones.
@SamuraiBlue
Yes, Korea experienced a significant increase in living standards during Japanese rule, but that is not an excuse for occupation and colonial rule.
One can achieve the same or similar effects without colonial rule and the subsequent resentment it creates.
A prime example would be how Japan was once comprised of poor and uncivilised villages. (As per the Chinese histories which are the only written records available because Japan didn't have a written language at the time)
Yet somehow Japan imports the Chinese language, culture, religion and technology. Then fuses this with what exists already.
Yes, Korea experienced a significant increase in living standards during Japanese rule, but that is not an excuse for occupation and colonial rule.
One can achieve the same or similar effects without colonial rule and the subsequent resentment it creates.
A prime example would be how Japan was once comprised of poor and uncivilised villages. (As per the Chinese histories which are the only written records available because Japan didn't have a written language at the time)
Yet somehow Japan imports the Chinese language, culture, religion and technology. Then fuses this with what exists already.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Is there any relevance to your story comparing something of 2,000 years ago with 100 years ago?
By the way archeologist agrees that Japan had structural trading and a commerce system in those day finding Black Onix 500Km away from it's original quarry site with various other material like cultivated chestnuts based on DNA analysis.
As for uncivilized villages, funny because within Gishiwajinden(魏志倭人伝 [said to be written around 280AD]) the first recording of Japan - China interaction within Chinese history books they write about a nation called Yamataikoku(邪馬台国） ruled by a Sherman queen named Himiko(卑弥呼）.
There's also the that is being excavate with archeologist stating that the village was first found around 4000BCE and had been inhabited for around 2000 years.
vesicles
Colonel
Well, Japan did turn itself from a rural feudal society into an industrial powerhouse in the 19th century, which was about 100 years ago, without being colonized.
@SamuraiBlue
Japan's successful modernization drive, which involved its share of pain and suffering, during the Meiji restoration indeed served and still serves as an example to the world of catch up modernization without colonization. Japan's problem is that it then proceeded to adopt the worst "modern" methods of the time by invading and colonizing others. Though it is reasonable to say that prior to any hostilities among them the established colonial powers of the time, including the US, have been taking actions to contain Japan and treated it poorly with double standards.
Japan's successful modernization drive, which involved its share of pain and suffering, during the Meiji restoration indeed served and still serves as an example to the world of catch up modernization without colonization. Japan's problem is that it then proceeded to adopt the worst "modern" methods of the time by invading and colonizing others. Though it is reasonable to say that prior to any hostilities among them the established colonial powers of the time, including the US, have been taking actions to contain Japan and treated it poorly with double standards.