Significance of the Al Khalid

vincelee

Junior Member
here we go, more Indian bravado.

I guess variable frequency devices are still cutting edge in the land of the curry...
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
this is a thread about Al Khalid, not Indian bashing or frequency responses <-- I hate this stuff already. so all of you get back on topic
 

vincelee

Junior Member
yeahhhhhhhh, let's take the FFT response and mate it to......I don't know, RMS values and PKK in dBV?

Done any analogue circuit design yet Sigma?
 

Indianfighter

Junior Member
The Al-Khalid tank is meant to counter the acquisition of T-84 and T-90s tanks of India. Its deisel-engine design is meant to be revolutionary which can perform well in extreme heat conditions (as in deserts).
Also its speed and acceleration characteristics make it probably one of the most agile desert tanks in the world as compared to bulky Challenger, Merkava or Arjun tanks.

Hence it is good for countries like Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan etc. which have significant desert terrain.

Since it is cheap, countries like Saudi-Arabia, Malaysia, Egypt etc. which do not have militarily tense relations with neighbours can use them.

However, this tank is like the MiG-21 Bison of the tank community. Features such as light armour, little BMS, lesser crew, medium technology etc. do not qualify it to be a frontline battle-tank for a country like China (it itself refused to use it though it helped in its development).

Even India would not have opted for such a tank as an MBT. But, it is sufficient for Pakistan as it is co-incident with their policy of "minimum detterent".
 

DPRKUnderground

Junior Member
Indianfighter said:
The Al-Khalid tank is meant to counter the acquisition of T-84 and T-90s tanks of India. Its deisel-engine design is meant to be revolutionary which can perform well in extreme heat conditions (as in deserts).
Also its speed and acceleration characteristics make it probably one of the most agile desert tanks in the world as compared to bulky Challenger, Merkava or Arjun tanks.

Hence it is good for countries like Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan etc. which have significant desert terrain.

Since it is cheap, countries like Saudi-Arabia, Malaysia, Egypt etc. which do not have militarily tense relations with neighbours can use them.

However, this tank is like the MiG-21 Bison of the tank community. Features such as light armour, little BMS, lesser crew, medium technology etc. do not qualify it to be a frontline battle-tank for a country like China (it itself refused to use it though it helped in its development).

Even India would not have opted for such a tank as an MBT. But, it is sufficient for Pakistan as it is co-incident with their policy of "minimum detterent".

I don't think it's the "MiG-21" of the tank community. It's not crude at all and is very capable. It might be light and can go fast, but that doesn't mean it has light armor. It's comparable to later versions of the T-72, myabe even the T-90. In systems, well the Al-Khalid was 100% accurate in firing trials in Saudi Arabia. I don't know the exact link that says it, but it was posted on PDF some time ago. I would say in systems it's less capable than the T-90. But not by that much.
 

ArjunMk1

Junior Member
Nothing can be 100% accurate , neither is AlKhalid !!!

Sorry I never believe PDF , its an extreme Indian bashing wet dream's forum , some times go there for fun !!

Back on point , yes AlKhalid is much like T72s , T90s are heavily upgraded T72s with newer gun,engine , electronics and communication systems !!!
 

DPRKUnderground

Junior Member
ArjunMk1 said:
Nothing can be 100% accurate , neither is AlKhalid !!!

Sorry I never believe PDF , its an extreme Indian bashing wet dream's forum , some times go there for fun !!

Back on point , yes AlKhalid is much like T72s , T90s are heavily upgraded T72s with newer gun,engine , electronics and communication systems !!!

Your right, PDF is Indian=bashing. Not much quality. But it does have new systems from Ukraine and China, 2 major tank countries. As I said before, it's somewhere near the T-90 in performance.
 

Kampfwagen

Junior Member
You know, it is still quite ironic, dont you think? What I mean is that, the Al Kaid, despite obvious 'improvements' is still a Chinese tank. And it's most likely to gun for the T-90, another Chinese tank (Unless it is the Russian T-90 and not the Chinese Type-90.

On a more relavant note. I wonder how well this tank would do against more modern tanks such as the Super Abrams and the Type 98/99. Probably not as well as it would against the older tanks of the region I imagine. Did they mention that? God, I'm hopeless here. :roll:
 

crazyinsane105

Junior Member
VIP Professional
Kampfwagen said:
You know, it is still quite ironic, dont you think? What I mean is that, the Al Kaid, despite obvious 'improvements' is still a Chinese tank. And it's most likely to gun for the T-90, another Chinese tank (Unless it is the Russian T-90 and not the Chinese Type-90.

On a more relavant note. I wonder how well this tank would do against more modern tanks such as the Super Abrams and the Type 98/99. Probably not as well as it would against the older tanks of the region I imagine. Did they mention that? God, I'm hopeless here. :roll:

That is why the Al Khalid II will come out. I beleive the Al Khalid was simply a tech demonstrator and that is why only 300-500 are going to be inducted. The AL Khalid II will probably be the mainstay of the Pakistani Army for some time to come.

Indianfighter, you mentioned that Pakistan got the Al Khalid to counter India's T-84's and T-90's. I beleive you are mistaken on one part: India doesn't have any T-84's. The T-84 is a Ukranian upgrade of the T-80 and as far as my knowledge goes, the IA doesn't even have the T-80.

To ArjunMKI, the Al Khalid has some pretty advanced equipment including Chinese made fire control systems, a revolutionized diesel engine as Indianfighter said, Ukrainian made anti-tank missiles, and as for the armor, well, that's being kept a secret. Pakistan is sorta like China: Pakistan doesn't just hand out all of its info about its projects.
 
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