Significance of the Al Khalid

I thought the action in Chechnya died down?

jatt said:

Recently at DefExpo 2006 people have learnt that DRDO and the Indian Army is having a fued over the Arjun MBT. God bless the Army because they were the ones in the first place who wanted a M1A1 challenger! And then go on to purchase T-90 off the self to counter the T-84's Pak had bought from Ukraine. Now if you think Al-Khalid spells trouble for the Indian Army, your wrong.

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I do have something to add here. If the Al Khalid isn't able to stand up against the Indian T-90's, then Pakistan would have probably ordered more T-84's. Basically if the PA didn't think the Al Khalid could pose a huge threat to the Indian Army then the PA would have ordered more T-84's or other high tech tanks. Also, the Al Khalid II may be out as early as next year according to Kanwa. So if the Al Khalid isn't good enough to go against the T-90S, then the Al Khalid II will be.

The action in Checnya has not at all died down. Russian soldiers are killed on a daily basis and Checnyan militants control large parts of Checnya. However, let's not get into that discussion since there is already a thread about that topic.

First off maybe it was politics? The Pakistani military is more so intervined in politics than her counter-parts. It is easier for Pakistan to get a liecence manufacturing of Al-Khalid than T-84 and its probabily less expensive. On top of that it most likily fares better on desert terrian because of its lower surface to ground pressure. And as much as Pakistan can try to make its armoured arm more deadlier the more protection it requires from InAF's MiG-27's and Hi-35.

jatt said:

First off maybe it was politics? The Pakistani military is more so intervined in politics than her counter-parts. It is easier for Pakistan to get a liecence manufacturing of Al-Khalid than T-84 and its probabily less expensive. On top of that it most likily fares better on desert terrian because of its lower surface to ground pressure. And as much as Pakistan can try to make its armoured arm more deadlier the more protection it requires from InAF's MiG-27's and Hi-35.

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IMO he Pakistani Air Force is a serious weak link here. If another war was to break out between Pakistan and India today, there's just no way that the Pakistani AF can match Indian AF in quantity and quality (of aircraft). Even if the Pakistani army was victorious in tank engagements, ultimately they'd be subject to Indian air strikes.

adeptitus said:

IMO he Pakistani Air Force is a serious weak link here. If another war was to break out between Pakistan and India today, there's just no way that the Pakistani AF can match Indian AF in quantity and quality (of aircraft). Even if the Pakistani army was victorious in tank engagements, ultimately they'd be subject to Indian air strikes.

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In that case Pakistan would have to make sure it's ground forces were extremely fast and anti-aircraft missiles and countermeasures were effective.

In addition Pakistan would need to be able draw off sufficient Indian forces
using either other countries or it's own forces.

It can be done if planned properly

In that case Pakistan would have to make sure it's ground forces were extremely fast and anti-aircraft missiles and countermeasures were effective.

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THat leaves us to the question, what kind of airdefence can Pakistan offer to it's mobilised units? Acording to Globalsecurity, it's quite minimal, only MANPADS. Only some 144 crotales asigned to airforces command, which mean those systems aren't incorporated to Brigade/divisional level HQs. This means Pakistan lacks completly medium to short range SAMs to protect it's advancing motorized units. What effects it has on combat? Well everyone can make threir own assumptions, but 32 F-16s isen't sufficient enough to provide Pakistanese troops a completly clear sky over indian opponent....

Gollevainen said:

THat leaves us to the question, what kind of airdefence can Pakistan offer to it's mobilised units? Acording to Globalsecurity, it's quite minimal, only MANPADS. Only some 144 crotales asigned to airforces command, which mean those systems aren't incorporated to Brigade/divisional level HQs. This means Pakistan lacks completly medium to short range SAMs to protect it's advancing motorized units. What effects it has on combat? Well everyone can make threir own assumptions, but 32 F-16s isen't sufficient enough to provide Pakistanese troops a completly clear sky over indian opponent....

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Agreed.

Pakistan's army air defense is quite appalling. Does anybody have any info on the Anza mk 3 ?
I think it's range is 15 km. I just read that when the Indian's violated pakistani waters a few days ago they loitered there for more than 2 hours !

Which means that Pakistan will in the event of a war have to either capture Indian cities very quickly or use nukes to take out Indian runways etc.

Which means that Pakistan will in the event of a war have to either capture Indian cities very quickly or use nukes to take out Indian runways etc.

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I seriosly doupt that Pakistanese would do any offensive (exept counter) movments if war would break up. No way is PA sufficient enough to be aple to perform any stratecigal manuvers towards opponet of Indian calibre...

Gollevainen said:

I seriosly doupt that Pakistanese would do any offensive (exept counter) movments if war would break up. No way is PA sufficient enough to be aple to perform any stratecigal manuvers towards opponet of Indian calibre...

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Currently Pak Army is a defensive force !! It will use ditch cum bundh defences in Punjab to hold Indian armour assault against Lahore, Islamabad , etc !! After 65 Pakistan is more or less determined of not letting any Indian assault through Punjab !! The indian option is attack through Thar desert through Pakistani states of Sind and Baluchistan by which dividing Pakistan into two and also cutting off Karachi . And in this situation Pakistan , till now, has no antidote except fighting gurella warefare within its towns and villages or the usage of Nukes !!!

Thats why Indian Army has stressed so much in desert capabilities of its tanks, thats why Arjun is facing a lot of problem in mass induction. IA sees desert warfare as its trumph card.

The army is suffiecent in handling the Pakistani Military. With all the SAMS InA is inducting I think there is mistrust between the Army, Airforce/Navy. But you are right about the desert thing. If the Indian Army can thrust through Thar desert then the next war is repeat of 1971.