Significance of the Al Khalid
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The Indian Army or Indian AirForce? As far as i'm concerned InAF got lucky that PAF underestimated their size in 1971. But as far as the Indian Army it is more...down to Earth compared to her counter-part. And its not like PN will win the war or change the outcome. The largest strenght for Pakistan needs to be her Army, and then Airforce. The unlucky PAF has a Army General as "President" who puts too much emphasis on armour these days. The money could be better spent on artillery. After all hitting a advancing T-72 from the top is as good as a kill. The PAF IMHO during 1971 forgot what her role in the war should have been. The InAF hated their birds being shot down but they new their objective was to hit Pakistani belly crawlers in a effort to end the war faster. In the end PAF glorfied their victory and the Indian Army glorfied theirs while the Indian AirForce gets a pat on the back for supporting the Indian Army with out a second thought.
I honestly would like to know how Al Khalid is different from MBT-2000. Outside of the Ukrainian help, how much did the Pakistanis actually do? The entire stuff about not being able to operate in heat is rubbish. As it stands, MBT-2000 < T-84. I would agree with the licensing part about Al Khalid.
The PA has some pretty horrible air defense. Right now the PA has Crotale 4000, the Mk series, SA-2's, some KS-1 (very limited though), and maybe even some TY-90 missiles. The Mk series can most likely deter most Indian helicopters and other low flying aircraft, but beyond that the PA needs a new facelift on SAM's. Several years ago Pakistsan expressed some very serious interest on the FT-2000 missile system and some news reports even stated that Pakistan received several batteries but I have yet to read something official about that. Maybe Pakistan is probably waiting until China perfects their own copy of the S-300 missile series. I mean, what other SAM's can Pakistan buy that are available? American made SAM's will come with many strings attached, Russia isn't going to sell anything to Pakistan, France will rip Pakistan off, Germany and Britian and many other European countries aren't willing to sell Pakistan anything, and let's not talk about Israel. So China seems to be Pakistan's only option in regards to SAM.
Getting back to the subject (which I beleive was the Al Khalid), Pakistan did place another order for 330 more T-84's from the Ukraine. However, the order never materialized after research on the Al Khalid began. The fire control systems are of Chinese origin, not European (some beleive the Al Khalid uses Western made systems) and the Al Khalid also fires Ukrainean made anti-tank missiles.
Getting back to the subject (which I beleive was the Al Khalid), Pakistan did place another order for 330 more T-84's from the Ukraine. However, the order never materialized after research on the Al Khalid began. The fire control systems are of Chinese origin, not European (some beleive the Al Khalid uses Western made systems) and the Al Khalid also fires Ukrainean made anti-tank missiles.
f2000 said:al-khalid will be tough challenge for t-90.
with medium range weight it can move faster and
easily escape.
but t-90 have advantage with its shtora.
so it can defense itself better.
when compare to arjun ................
It goes beyond a singularity. Actually tank combat has never been the trademark of the PAk forces they got mauled by indians despite better armour. I think the T-90s is just better than the Khalid despite being an older deign and a less capable machine than it's russian valdimir couterpart. FYI the indian t-90s do not have Tshu nor Shtora-2 but they could be fitted with Arena-E. Furthermore the indians are suspected to be the clients behind the newest russian Heat-FS 3Bk31M2. anyway the real deal for th eindians would be to have a two channel access to the glonass system. With that they could simply implement a multiplying force lever that would doom any pak effort to block the indians.
I think there is a bit of confusion abt Indian T90 .
Indian T90 is actually Russian T90(Vladimir) fitted with 1000Hp diesel 4 stroke engine !!
The 125mm smooth bore gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks-M (NATO: AT-11 Sniper-B) anti-tank guided missile system.
For active defence , Arena is possible there since its also in the upgraded T72s
Arjun tanks are mated with Israeli LAHAT gun missiles, But I donno abt T90/72s firing them!
Indian T90 is actually Russian T90(Vladimir) fitted with 1000Hp diesel 4 stroke engine !!
The 125mm smooth bore gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks-M (NATO: AT-11 Sniper-B) anti-tank guided missile system.
For active defence , Arena is possible there since its also in the upgraded T72s
Arjun tanks are mated with Israeli LAHAT gun missiles, But I donno abt T90/72s firing them!
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ArjunMk1 said:
Iwould not put my faith in the T-72 if I were you. they are M/M1 the first dont even have composite armour the sceond is a downgraded version of the first production T-72A
the 2a46M is also modifyed by the russians to have reduced barrel life
better to have them replaced with something new insted
ArjunMk1 said:
The t-90 can't fire the LAHAT since it is a 120mm system.
Point two the Indian turret isn't a welded one (I could be wrong-if yes my appologies) and more sensibly the Indian t90s don't have a dual data bus (one parallel for battlefield info exchange and another vertical for direct CC). Instead they've said to have the humpy Nevksi system wich is a bit tight for a BMS (since it is russian
). Anyway they do lack Tshu and Shtora.
The Al Khalid has a BMS. As to how effective the BMS is, well, the UAE did buy it from Pakistan and considering the fact that the oil rich countries have enough money to buy almost anything they want, the BMS must be decent.