Should China respect sanctions on Iran?
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Thank you for providing this link. I also agree about your analysis about the current American administration. From what I heard, the Americans are having national legislative elections in about 6 months. Word is that hard right-wingers, more hawkish than Bush, will have control of the government, effectively making Obama's administration a lame duck.
As I have already re-iterated, I have grave concerns about China over-extending itself too soon in the Middle East. I cannot see how China can protect Iran when push comes to shove. If multilateral sanctions outside of the Security Council come to pass, there is little militarily that China can do. If warships block Chinese fuel tankers from supplying Iran, what will the leadership command? We all know the answer from recent history.
The Chinese Navy is still being constructed to Blue Water capacity. Chinese men are still being trained in the only way that is most effective; real world training, like the Pirate Patrol force in the Indian Ocean. It is too soon to be pushing this hard. Too much bark for so little bite.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
That may be so, but at the end of the day, what tworries the average Arab the most is the possibility of the U.S leaving the middle east and leaving them to the wishes of the Iranians.
A lot of effort had been made to present in English the atmosphere of the convention and Ajads speech where the"wipe Israel off the map" statement was made.
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Its much simpler to supply them enough medical grade uranium to meet their requirements
Ive already acknowledged that the Iranians pointed out that the Western version was out of context etc.and neither do i recall Al Jazeera reporting the error when reporting the news item..until much later.. However apart from that, other aspects of his speech and subsequent remarks made by the Iranian Leadership leave no uncertainty that they will attack Israel.
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Sanctions imposed unilaterally, outside of the UN do not have International force and can only be requested to be respected. Any attempt to intercept Tankers from nations which do not respect sanctions are piracy.
The greatest danger under these circumstances would come from indirect activities ie "pirates" or the mining of sea lanes.
For China the growth in Continental Pipelines which reach as far as Iran are a major component of making even the threat of any oft he above a none issue. It has also been said many times that Beijing views sanctions against Iranian Oil exports as sanctions against itself.
Linkage has to be elephant in the room here and I think we saw the effects of the threat of this in Washington earlier this week. Bibi stayed at home and the real issue of state proliferation was reduced to a fissile material security conference. China can easily link nations such as Israel, India and Pakistan into such discussions or even move to link them to the North Korea process. The logic for doing so is pervasive on so many levels and attempts to prevent this will seem eccentric or "partial" at best.
dude i'm chinese-america, i watch CCTV4 CCTV9 everyday here. I read xinhua everyday, i goto baidu everyday, using QQ etc, went back to china every few years. so i know plenty about china. tell me what happen when you do a search on "tiannman incident" in china.
NO, if you don't belief what wester media says, its your job to find the source. i'm not gonna waste my time to find it for you. True, western media does have bias on event such as tibet riot issues etc. but the comments by iran president about blow up Israel was seen on CCTV9/CCTV4 as well as western media sometime ago.
yes chinese criticize the government in forum and blog. but what about those chinese human right activist, look what happen to those poor farmer FORCE to relocated because some local offical want build a new apartment. Let me ask you this, does CCTV every criticize chinese government directly on National television? western media has its shortcoming, but ITS definaly better than chinese media when report issues under its own government.
If you think every major western media and CCTV lie about the Ahmadinejad comments regarding israel, then you are more naive then i previously thought about you.
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bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Im under the impression that China goes to great lengths to avoid active military committment with other countries. I think which such rhetoric , it is backing itself into a corner.
Engineer
Major
In case you haven't notice I was replying to s002wjh.
Quite the opposite, it is you who failed to see your own bias favoring anything Western. And don't try to confuse the focus of the argument here: making inflammatory speeches does not prove that the statements "wipe Israel off the map" or "utterly destroy Israel" were actually made.
Because making inflammatory speeches and saying "utterly destroy Israel" are two different ideas. If you claim that the former proves the latter, then that is like saying anyone who criticizes Israel in anyway means the person wants to destroy Israel.
It suggests that Weymouth didn't like the answer he got so he continuously paraphrase the question in an attempt to get his desired answer. I can envision it goes something like this:
Q: You said during A world without Zionism that you want to wipe Israel off the map, is that true?
A: ...
Q: Your opinion is that Israel should be wiped from the map?
A: ...
Q: You want to wipe Israel off the map then?
A: ...
Q: So, your answer is yes, you want Israel to be wiped off of the map?
Engineer
Major
No. When you make a claim, then the burden of proofs lies on you. bladerunner have already retracted his statement with regards to hundred of media outlets making the same report, so I don't know why you insist on keeping this particular argument alive.
We all know that it is impossible that you (or anyone) could have read news articles from hundreds of different media corps. So, it isn't that you don't want to waste time to backup the claim; it's that you can't.
Thanks for playing though.
Ahmadinejad either said it, or he didn't. Having a lot of media reporting that he said he wants to "blow up Israel" doesn't miraculously make it true. Imagine if I could muster hundred of peoples to say that you, s002wjh, claim that Israel should be blown up. Would that actually mean you've said it? Clearly not.
Exactly. People can and do criticize the government without having to go to jail.
CCTV isn't the only source of news in China, and there are newspapers that criticizes the government. Southern Morning Post (if I translate it correctly) springs to mind. People's Daily and Xinhua have also done it on a few occasions.
What Chinese media do does not make Western media any less bad.
If CCTV does it then they are at fault for not verifying their information. It doesn't alters the past and makes Ahmadinejad made the comment.