Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

tygyg1111

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Lies! I would never cheat on my beloved J-XS! How could any human flesh possibly compare to her metallic beauty, all shiny and chrome? (Yes, I am mentally ill.)

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BTW, what's with the wonky wheel? Is it being retracted or another AI enhancement? The wheel details look atrocious on the photo. :(

Safe to say, I think there's only so much we can infer from these photos. But, I am at least grateful for the it. Now we just need one from the front with the canopy and the intakes especially, and another with the engines/rear for the full picture.

Don't look at this then:

Looking down the tantalizing bunghole of the real Gym Stacy
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ACuriousPLAFan

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In it's current configuration the front landing gear seemed pretty close to intakes.

Saw one of the points raised vis-a-vis the front landing gear is that its position avoids being directly underneath the cockpit section, which further points towards the J-XDS being both land-capable and carrier-capable. Not sure how true is that though.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Tyler covered the new SHADE photos in an article, though nothing special caught my eye.

But he still can't let go of those two X-Planes that never had any pictures released...

Can't wait to slap this on their faces when the J-36 and J-XDS join the PLAAF/PLANAF test and evaluation squadron/brigades before/by 2030.

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enroger

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In it's current configuration the front landing gear seemed pretty close to intakes.

Not sure if it is relevant, but the intakes are much closer to center than say J-20 or any other side intake designs. There maybe some consideration about front gear kicking up dirt and enter intakes, if so then moving front gear closer to the rear maybe a way to mitigate that
 

AndrewJ

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J-50's IWB is too small. Its payload capacity is improved too little compared to 5th gen.
The possible DSI guide groove in the middle makes things worse. Does anyone know why to add the groove, what's the idea & trade-off?

Meanwhile, without foldable tails (which makes many confused why canceled), only relying on fully mobile wingtips, can the aircraft achieve super maneuverability? :oops:

Well, it's equivalent to a 5th gen without tails. But I can't see any other improvement besides better stealth. Not like J-36, which is improved everywhere.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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J-50's IWB is too small. Its payload capacity is improved too little compared to 5th gen.
The possible DSI guide groove in the middle makes things worse.

For the roles and positions of which the J-XDS is expected to take in the system, the IWBs (whether it has side bays or not) is pretty sufficient for its size.

Meanwhile, without foldable tails (which makes many confused why canceled),

Because requirement for greater stealth capabilities compared to even 5th-gen fighters. I don't see how that's confusing.

can it achieve super maneuverability? :oops:

In addition to the possible 2D thrust vectoring nozzles on the J-XDS - NASA says yes.

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Well, it's equivalent to a 5th gen without tails. But I can't see any other improvement besides better stealth. Not like J-36, which is improved everywhere.

Well, you're wrong.

I've explained on it sometime ago, so I'll just paste it here.

What the J-XDS offers which considerably surpasses 5th-gen fighters include-but-not-limited-to:
- The J-XDS has a much larger internal volume than the 5th-gens, meaning more spaces for fuel = Larger combat radius/range.
- The J-XDS has a much larger wing area than the 5th-gens, meaning smaller wing loading = Superior flight performances.
- The J-XDS has a greater engine thrust than the 5th-gens (except J-20A, assuming the J-XDS still uses WS-15 for serial-production units instead of further derivatives of the WS-15 or even ACE-based WS-XX), meaning a much superior onboard power-generation capacity = More powerful avionics, computing and cooling systems can be installed onboard = Exceptional air combat capabilities (MUMT, MIMO, networked combat, etc).

In fact, the last point is an absolute key requirement for 6th-gen air combat systems going forward, which is something that decisively crushes every preceding generations of fighter jets.

To put it simply - The J-36 should be seen as an "air cruiser", whereas the J-XDS should be seen as an "air destroyer".
 
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