Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

constalation

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CACs J-36 has likely created a new paradigm in the 6th gen talk. A large fighter bomber, with supersonic performance, greater range, all aspect stealth, EW and has the space to support all of this. On the surface, the requirements are clear and direct, and the technologies complement each other.

'Sexy' jokes aside, SACs J-XS has become a bit more interesting to me. Its a air to air superiority/ high performance and maneuverability that also has to have all aspect stealth with tailless/folding design. The plane needs to have even greater range, more missile capacity, more EW/Radar, fuel and heat management all packed into an even smaller body with possible future naval capability.

To me, this is a rather daunting engineering challenge, taking generally incompatible requirements/philosophies and making them work together. This is why I said that Shenyang's fighters became more fascinating to me.

In summary, CAC's project will expand on what it means to be 6th gen, while SACs project will show the direct improvement of 6th gens over existing 5th gens on a head to head basis.

Another observation. We got many detailed photographs, videos, accurate leaks and rumors about the j36 from the grapevine long before its final reveal. Comparatively, we got nothing on the SAC. In fact it flew earlier but we thought it was fake. Even the photographs and videos don't show the details well.

Overall, it seems Opsec is really tight around SACs work.
 

Gloire_bb

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Another observation. We got many detailed photographs, videos, accurate leaks and rumors about the j36 from the grapevine long before its final reveal. Comparatively, we got nothing on the SAC. In fact it flew earlier but we thought it was fake. Even the photographs and videos don't show the details well.

Overall, it seems Opsec is really tight around SACs work.
it's simply colder in Shenyang, lol.
And obviously half of Shenyang milphans are busy simping for Zhaodashuai.

'Sexy' jokes aside, SACs J-XS has become a bit more interesting to me. Its a air to air superiority/ high performance and maneuverability that also has to have all aspect stealth with tailless/folding design. The plane needs to have even greater range, more missile capacity, more EW/Radar, fuel and heat management all packed into an even smaller body with possible future naval capability.
Calling things bluntly, it appears to be future flanker replacement.
Unlike GAC one, which is a standalone product.
 

bsdnf

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found this on YouTube, it shows a clear photo of the SAC's mysterious aircraft.

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That picture in the lower right? It's definitely fake, the angles of the strakes and the wing don't even match, and there's the fix vertical stabilizer, the size of the variable-vertical stabilizers are also wrong.
 

laurenjia

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Variable-vertical stabilizer & All-moving wing tips confirmed, what we have seen from the video and picture is when the vertical tail and wing tip raised up at low speed for landing and other scenarios, thats why the engine emits black smoke.

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Thanks for the pic. Newbie here but had been lurking around. Curiousity got the better of me to ask a stupid question.

I have been meaning to ask, if not already noticed.....I don't seem to see a flight pitot tube for SAC's plane that is characteristic of most if not all prototype / first / early flight planes....which leads me to think:
- The video of SAC plane is fake? (doubtful though possible)
- SAC has so well developed protocols and new ways of testing that new protoypes doesn't need pitot tube anymore (doubtful). Or the pitot tube is somewhere else that wasn't visible to us...which would be even more interesting. Or it has some uber stealthy pitot tube?
- Or that is so well advanced in flight testing already that it doesn't need one (eg J-35A now vs J-35 naval). If so, this means two or three things: (1) SAC's plane had already flown / tested many times before; (2) this recent exposure isn't its maiden flight per se; and (3) it is well advanced and ahead in terms or testing vs CAC
 

bsdnf

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Variable-vertical stabilizer & All-moving wing tips confirmed, what we have seen from the video and picture is when the vertical tail and wing tip raised up at low speed for landing and other scenarios, thats why the engine emits black smoke.

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Re-examination of the video revealed that the all-moving wing tips are actually pointing downwards, not upwards.
 
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