Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

feihong

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I'm having a little difficulty keeping up, so is this an accurate summary:

CAC CHAD: Given the supposed coffin cockpit on the CHAD, and all the commentary, is manned.

SHAD (UCAV?): No visually confirmed cockpit yet, with one(?) daytime flight earlier this month whose images just got released, and maybe 2 or 3 night flights whose veracity is unknown. Two sources say it's unmanned (洋务先驱张之洞 and 草根).

SHAD (Manned): The two same sources imply that there's something to come in the immediate future.

There's also the flying wing looking thing, whose veracity of existence isn't certain, but looks fairly reasonable and real.

KJ-3000 has come out also in the past 2 days and confirmed.

Is the above accurate for at least when this was posted? And if so, why did they wait and release everything together like this? Would it be possible it's trying to hide other movements / developments? I am of the view that putting everything together so tightly diminishes it's PR impact.

In that vein, has anyone taken a peek at Huludao recently?

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The sixth-generation fighter has no competition, as the two aircraft are positioned completely differently and complement each other in their uses. The Cheng-6 is a three-engine "long-range combat" aircraft, emphasizing high stealth, long range, high speed, and large payload capacity for ground attack. The Shen-6 is a twin-engine "sea-air twin" aircraft, focusing on high stealth, high maneuverability, long range, and large payload capacity for air-to-air combat. The Cheng-6 has a length of about 26 meters, while the Shen-6 has a length of about 21 meters!
 

Robin161518

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I'm having a little difficulty keeping up, so is this an accurate summary:

CAC CHAD: Given the supposed coffin cockpit on the CHAD, and all the commentary, is manned.

SHAD (UCAV?): No visually confirmed cockpit yet, with one(?) daytime flight earlier this month whose images just got released, and maybe 2 or 3 night flights whose veracity is unknown. Two sources say it's unmanned (洋务先驱张之洞 and 草根).

SHAD (Manned): The two same sources imply that there's something to come in the immediate future.

There's also the flying wing looking thing, whose veracity of existence isn't certain, but looks fairly reasonable and real.

KJ-3000 has come out also in the past 2 days and confirmed.

Is the above accurate for at least when this was posted? And if so, why did they wait and release everything together like this? Would it be possible it's trying to hide other movements / developments? I am of the view that putting everything together so tightly diminishes it's PR impact.

In that vein, has anyone taken a peek at Huludao recently?
Plus,CAC has a second design according to Deion’s friend
my friend who saw the J-36 before noted this morning, CAC is the one with a second design
And here is something interesting.
Before 草根 comfirmed SAC‘s to be UCAV,someone already said this in a group message.
This guy also said SAC‘s manned aircraft will take flight around Spring Festival(1/26),and XAC’s H20 will take flight before 1/1(which means in the coming 3days)
I don‘t know this guy, so it‘s just gossip.But it can be verified quickly
 

iewgnem

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If rumours of additional airframes at CAC and SAC are true, then maybe China's 6th gen program come in pairs, one manned and one unmanned, and both CAC and SAC has one of each. What we've seen from CAC is their manned one, and the one from SAC is the unmanned one.

No idea if true, guess we'll see, but predictions on CHAD flight on 26th turned out to be spot on, so...
 

bebops

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I thought one or both of them are capable of near space flight? or at least fly higher than 50k meter (5th gen altitude). Is that one of the requirements
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The sixth-generation fighter has no competition, as the two aircraft are positioned completely differently and complement each other in their uses. The Cheng-6 is a three-engine "long-range combat" aircraft, emphasizing high stealth, long range, high speed, and large payload capacity for ground attack. The Shen-6 is a twin-engine "sea-air twin" aircraft, focusing on high stealth, high maneuverability, long range, and large payload capacity for air-to-air combat. The Cheng-6 has a length of about 26 meters, while the Shen-6 has a length of about 21 meters!
 

feihong

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If rumours of additional airframes at CAC and SAC are true, then maybe China's 6th gen program come in pairs, one manned and one unmanned, and both CAC and SAC has one of each. What we've seen from CAC is their manned one, and the one from SAC is the unmanned one.

No idea if true, guess we'll see, but predictions on CHAD flight on 26th turned out to be spot on, so...

To my understanding from Chinese social media, there are 3 6G aircraft. One is from CAC, manned and two are from SAC, UAV and manned.
 

feihong

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Designer (Party B): Boss from Party A, what kind of next-generation fighter do you want?

Air Force (Party A): First, it needs to be fast. In martial arts, speed is everything.

B: How about over Mach 5?

A: Can it be faster?

B: (Takes notes) Faster... Anything else you require?

A: It needs to fly very, very high.

B: How high do you want it to fly?

A: Higher than the range of current surface-to-air missiles and fifth-generation aircraft.

B: What about the middle layer? Over 50,000 meters? Not only would current surface-to-air missiles and fifth-gen aircraft be unable to reach, but even the air-to-air missiles carried by fifth-gen aircraft wouldn’t be able to travel far relying solely on rocket propulsion, and they wouldn’t be able to reach either.

A: Then the air-to-air missiles I carry must have long range, so I can strike the enemy while they can’t hit me.

B: Would 1,000 kilometers be enough?

A: That’s enough, but would they be too bulky and difficult to carry?

B: Above 50,000 meters, the air resistance is much lower, so they won’t be too large or long. Don’t worry, brother units have already designed surface-to-air missiles with a range of 2,000 kilometers, so this is no problem.

A: Then, make sure I carry more, so I can fight ten at once.

B: (Takes notes) At least 12 missiles...

A: Also, put on some medium-range missiles. These medium-range missiles need to have a range of over 300 kilometers. I want to use them as short-range missiles, so I can suppress the enemy comprehensively. Even a shorter range is useless.

B: Then, I’ll arrange 4 missiles.

A: By the way, I have some requirements for the long-range air-to-air missiles. Can they be used to hit Starlink satellites, strike ground-based phased array radar, and attack enemy early-warning aircraft?

B: (Takes notes) Long-range missile guidance heads diversified to meet different requirements—one missile, multiple uses.

A: Can the cockpit be designed as a side-by-side, dual-seat layout?

B: That’s simple, but why?

A: Our aircraft will be highly digitalized, with excellent external sensing capabilities. We will need to process a lot of information. Although we have supercomputing power and AI-assisted decision-making, having two people will allow for more collaboration and handling of information, leading to more scientific and rational decision-making.

B: This can also be done with a tandem dual-seat.

A: A side-by-side layout makes communication easier. The two pilots can coordinate more intuitively, even understanding each other with a glance. This is something a tandem layout can’t achieve.

B: (Takes notes)

A: Also, the sixth-generation fighter must have a long range.

B: How far do you want it to go? Why?

A: At least 5,000 kilometers. I need to break through the second island chain and preferably reach the enemy’s doorstep.

B: Then, an 8,000-kilometer range, with a combat radius of over 3,000 kilometers.

A: (A bit worried) Is that feasible?

B: (Thinks for a moment) I will use two turbofan engines to break the sound barrier and send the aircraft into the stratosphere. Then, I’ll add a scramjet engine to propel the aircraft into the middle atmosphere, achieving speeds above Mach 5.

A: Three engines? Is that enough power?

B: We can’t rely solely on power. The aircraft will be designed as a wave-riding body, and we will use Qian Xuesen's ballistic theory, similar to "skipping stones," allowing the aircraft to achieve an 8,000-kilometer range or even a 5,000-kilometer combat radius without needing mid-air refueling.

A: Mach 5 speed, 50,000-meter altitude, and a 5,000-kilometer combat radius—wouldn't that make it the world’s first aircraft with three “5” specifications?

B: You need to trust us, trust our research and innovation capabilities, and trust our unique global industrial system.

[Both parties enthusiastically shake hands]

Final statement:
This article is purely imaginative, and if there are any similarities, we’d be honored.
 

A.Man

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Designer (Party B): Boss from Party A, what kind of next-generation fighter do you want?

Air Force (Party A): First, it needs to be fast. In martial arts, speed is everything.

B: How about over Mach 5?

A: Can it be faster?

B: (Takes notes) Faster... Anything else you require?

A: It needs to fly very, very high.

B: How high do you want it to fly?

A: Higher than the range of current surface-to-air missiles and fifth-generation aircraft.

B: What about the middle layer? Over 50,000 meters? Not only would current surface-to-air missiles and fifth-gen aircraft be unable to reach, but even the air-to-air missiles carried by fifth-gen aircraft wouldn’t be able to travel far relying solely on rocket propulsion, and they wouldn’t be able to reach either.

A: Then the air-to-air missiles I carry must have long range, so I can strike the enemy while they can’t hit me.

B: Would 1,000 kilometers be enough?

A: That’s enough, but would they be too bulky and difficult to carry?

B: Above 50,000 meters, the air resistance is much lower, so they won’t be too large or long. Don’t worry, brother units have already designed surface-to-air missiles with a range of 2,000 kilometers, so this is no problem.

A: Then, make sure I carry more, so I can fight ten at once.

B: (Takes notes) At least 12 missiles...

A: Also, put on some medium-range missiles. These medium-range missiles need to have a range of over 300 kilometers. I want to use them as short-range missiles, so I can suppress the enemy comprehensively. Even a shorter range is useless.

B: Then, I’ll arrange 4 missiles.

A: By the way, I have some requirements for the long-range air-to-air missiles. Can they be used to hit Starlink satellites, strike ground-based phased array radar, and attack enemy early-warning aircraft?

B: (Takes notes) Long-range missile guidance heads diversified to meet different requirements—one missile, multiple uses.

A: Can the cockpit be designed as a side-by-side, dual-seat layout?

B: That’s simple, but why?

A: Our aircraft will be highly digitalized, with excellent external sensing capabilities. We will need to process a lot of information. Although we have supercomputing power and AI-assisted decision-making, having two people will allow for more collaboration and handling of information, leading to more scientific and rational decision-making.

B: This can also be done with a tandem dual-seat.

A: A side-by-side layout makes communication easier. The two pilots can coordinate more intuitively, even understanding each other with a glance. This is something a tandem layout can’t achieve.

B: (Takes notes)

A: Also, the sixth-generation fighter must have a long range.

B: How far do you want it to go? Why?

A: At least 5,000 kilometers. I need to break through the second island chain and preferably reach the enemy’s doorstep.

B: Then, an 8,000-kilometer range, with a combat radius of over 3,000 kilometers.

A: (A bit worried) Is that feasible?

B: (Thinks for a moment) I will use two turbofan engines to break the sound barrier and send the aircraft into the stratosphere. Then, I’ll add a scramjet engine to propel the aircraft into the middle atmosphere, achieving speeds above Mach 5.

A: Three engines? Is that enough power?

B: We can’t rely solely on power. The aircraft will be designed as a wave-riding body, and we will use Qian Xuesen's ballistic theory, similar to "skipping stones," allowing the aircraft to achieve an 8,000-kilometer range or even a 5,000-kilometer combat radius without needing mid-air refueling.

A: Mach 5 speed, 50,000-meter altitude, and a 5,000-kilometer combat radius—wouldn't that make it the world’s first aircraft with three “5” specifications?

B: You need to trust us, trust our research and innovation capabilities, and trust our unique global industrial system.

[Both parties enthusiastically shake hands]

Final statement:
This article is purely imaginative, and if there are any similarities, we’d be honored.
似乎是:没有办不到,只有想不到。Sounded like: Nothing is impossible, only unthinkable.
 
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