Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

AETHER

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There are totally three 6G aircrafts from CAC and SAC according to 草根 and others on Weibo. One is manned from CRC(flown), one is loyal wingman from SAC(flown first) and the last one is one manned from SAC which is coming in a few days. The two from SAC are land and carrier compatible. Other aircrafts even H20 are not considered 6G. This is my understanding.
i think we should take this with a huge grain of salt. if there is one more manned aircraft coming from SAC, those guancha guys would've give some hints
 

bsdnf

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Enough to explain why there's just 4 DDGs in the latest batch lol

I think most were under the impression China only prints marginally more wealth than US does and doesn't devote nearly as much of it on military. But in reality, China prints a shit ton more money than US and simply had hidden a lot of it into black projects for the last decade, the program costs for these things together alongside with everything else might imply a military cost of $2-3 trillion per year, much higher than the $900 billion US has.
It's not that China has invested more money, but that the United States has a too low utilization rate of funds.
Take the shipbuilding industry as an example. Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding produces large cargo ships and LNG ships in peacetime. The profits from these civilian orders can support the costs of its infrastructure, workers, and engineers. When the navy places an order, they only need to allocate the corresponding resources, and do not need to charge the navy for all the fees. As a state-owned enterprise, they can absorb part of it.
Where as in the United States, since the civilian shipbuilding industry is almost non-existent, the shipbuilding industry can only rely on US military orders. This has led to the fact that even for a completely failed project like LCS, the US military has to continue to invest resources to keep the shipyard operating, and the shipyard also charges high prices for its own survival & expanshion. For example, The shipyards cannot find suitable welders in the market because no one want to learns how to weld just for the military shipbuilding. They have to train from scratch, resulting in soaring labor costs with poor quality. The cost will increase as the supply chain gets longer, a manufacturer of shipbuilding equipment also needs to rely entirely on the shipyard, most of the companies in this chain are private enterprises guided by profit, and everyone wants to maximize their profits. Another example is the LSM. The US military is going to pay $460 million to $560 million for the first LSM ship, where as the PLA's purchase of 072A is likely to be no more than $30 million. Even if we calculate that avarge cost to $340 million to $430 million, the cost of this 4,000-ton landing craft is enough to buy two 25,000-ton Type 071 amphibious transport dock landing craft.
ShiLao talked about this in a broadcast a few days ago. His hometown, Huzhou, has many civilian shipyards that only have a few people and produce hundreds-ton fishing craft. Once mobilized, small shipyard from third-tier city like Huzhou can mass-produce hundreds-ton level landing craft like the 074A.
 
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taxiya

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So recall previously some people here were analysing the image of SAC prototype and saying by adjusting the gamma they can see inconsistent amount of noise around the prototype so it must be photoshopped?

Do we need to revisit the validity of that technique?
hehe, I never believed that "technique", it is a pseudo science to begin with. Both photoshopping (copy/paste) and compression of a raw image from sensor create artifacts in similar ways, there is no fundamental differences in the result, essentially everything is "fake".
 
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taxiya

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I thought it's the narrow things laterally under the cockpit. They're just much narrower than the norm for intakes.
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But yeah with the side by side F-22 comparison you can see that it looks weird, the intakes are very prominent for the F-22 but not really so for the J-XS. I don't know what the implications of that are.
It could be a DSI intake. The bump is a smoth curve that make it well blended into the fuselage and difficult to see in a very blurred photo. F-22's caret inlet on the other hand has clear edges and shapes and most importantly a gap with the fuselage, all make it more visible compared to DSI.
 

Neurosmith

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There are totally three 6G aircrafts from CAC and SAC according to 草根 and others on Weibo. One is manned from CRC(flown), one is loyal wingman from SAC(flown first) and the last one is one manned from SAC which is coming in a few days. The two from SAC are land and carrier compatible. Other aircrafts even H20 are not considered 6G. This is my understanding.
Did these folks mention whether the SAC manned fighter will be competing against or complementing the J-36?
I doubt what flew for Shenyang these past days was a drone, because I've never seen a drone debuting with a chase plane following it. I could be wrong on this.

But I think it's a rush to take every rumor with face value.
Also note that the supposed SAC aircraft/drone was filmed flying with afterburners on. While supersonic stealthy drones with afterburning engines aren't a new thing (e.g. Kızılelma), this would still be a rarity when it comes to drone development.

My hunch is that it's a manned fighter, but who really knows.
 

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There are totally three 6G aircrafts from CAC and SAC according to 草根 and others on Weibo. One is manned from CRC(flown), one is loyal wingman from SAC(flown first) and the last one is one manned from SAC which is coming in a few days. The two from SAC are land and carrier compatible. Other aircrafts even H20 are not considered 6G. This is my understanding.

in my understanding ,All three 6G aircraft are manned aircraft platforms
 

FlyingNimbus

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I'm having a little difficulty keeping up, so is this an accurate summary:

CAC CHAD: Given the supposed coffin cockpit on the CHAD, and all the commentary, is manned.

SHAD (UCAV?): No visually confirmed cockpit yet, with one(?) daytime flight earlier this month whose images just got released, and maybe 2 or 3 night flights whose veracity is unknown. Two sources say it's unmanned (洋务先驱张之洞 and 草根).

SHAD (Manned): The two same sources imply that there's something to come in the immediate future.

There's also the flying wing looking thing, whose veracity of existence isn't certain, but looks fairly reasonable and real.

KJ-3000 has come out also in the past 2 days and confirmed.

Is the above accurate for at least when this was posted? And if so, why did they wait and release everything together like this? Would it be possible it's trying to hide other movements / developments? I am of the view that putting everything together so tightly diminishes it's PR impact.

In that vein, has anyone taken a peek at Huludao recently?
 

iewgnem

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I'm having a little difficulty keeping up, so is this an accurate summary:

CAC CHAD: Given the supposed coffin cockpit on the CHAD, and all the commentary, is manned.

SHAD (UCAV?): No visually confirmed cockpit yet, with one(?) daytime flight earlier this month whose images just got released, and maybe 2 or 3 night flights whose veracity is unknown. Two sources say it's unmanned (洋务先驱张之洞 and 草根).

SHAD (Manned): The two same sources imply that there's something to come in the immediate future.

There's also the flying wing looking thing, whose veracity of existence isn't certain, but looks fairly reasonable and real.

KJ-3000 has come out also in the past 2 days and confirmed.

Is the above accurate for at least when this was posted? And if so, why did they wait and release everything together like this? Would it be possible it's trying to hide other movements / developments? I am of the view that putting everything together so tightly diminishes it's PR impact.

In that vein, has anyone taken a peek at Huludao recently?
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