Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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aahyan

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Yes, but I would watch out for Iran coming in from the cold.

Two things are happening right now..

One, US is trying to get Saudi to join Israel against Iran as the common enemy.
Two, China is trying to get all the countries in the region to settle their differences, and possibly unite in a pro-Palestinian coalition, with everyone signed up to the GSI and GDI.

What is more likely to happen? Saudi makes peace with Israel, and chooses the US and F35, or they become a sovereign nation, like Iran, make peace with their neighbors and unite for a just and popular cause, and choose China and the J31?

We may find out soon. Biden is there in a few days, let’s see who turns up from China after Biden leaves.

This was one of the core issues of Imran Khan's ouster by the Biedin regime, other than a tough stance on Kashmir with India...
 

BoeingEngineer

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That would be reasonable. I said it many times. FC-31 was always likely to be pitched to countries like Saudi and UAE.

Keep in mind the current US/Saudi relationship is quite contentious. Saudi Arabia is looking for a longer term security guarantee from America. If they don't get the terms they want, then China is at a position where it can provide these systems to Saudi Arabia.

There is certainly an element of Saudis using China to get better deal from America.

yeah right.

China is just so dumb to get used like this again.

Like the Turkey's HQ-9 deal was not bad enough. :rolleyes:
 

Rettam Stacf

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yeah right.

China is just so dumb to get used like this again.

Like the Turkey's HQ-9 deal was not bad enough. :rolleyes:

Alternately, it may be simply China throwing a monkey wrench into the already frail US-ME relationship, even if it is just temporary. Just another strategic geopolitical move by China with full knowledge it will not result in any eventual sales.
 

davidau

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Alternately, it may be simply China throwing a monkey wrench into the already frail US-ME relationship, even if it is just temporary. Just another strategic geopolitical move by China with full knowledge it will not result in any eventual sales.
May I ask why not?
 

sndef888

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Theoretically, is it feasible for the FC-31 to be redesigned to accept a single WS-15 as its engine?

It just dawned on me that if the J-35 becomes the future "lo" platform (vs J-20 as the hi platform), then the PLA would be at a cost disadvantage compared to the US with a single engined F35

Is it possible that J-35 (with 2 WS-19 engines) is only produced for the navy, and we see a J-36 redesigned to single engine for the air force?
 

supersnoop

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Theoretically, is it feasible for the FC-31 to be redesigned to accept a single WS-15 as its engine?

It just dawned on me that if the J-35 becomes the future "lo" platform (vs J-20 as the hi platform), then the PLA would be at a cost disadvantage compared to the US with a single engined F35

Is it possible that J-35 (with 2 WS-19 engines) is only produced for the navy, and we see a J-36 redesigned to single engine for the air force?

It would just be a different aircraft.
 

taxiya

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yeah right.

China is just so dumb to get used like this again.

Like the Turkey's HQ-9 deal was not bad enough. :rolleyes:
In geostrategic games, everyone is being used and everyone is willing to be used in return to use others. It is a bargain. There is no place for feeling of being hurt in the games. Turkey used China to squeeze US. China used Turkey to increase the tension between US and Turkey. Russia did the same. Now China is trying to widen the gap between US and SA while SA uses China to squeeze the US for better terms. Even if the FC-31 deal never materialize, the demage is done to the US-SA relationship. That strategic demage may be more desirable than selling some weapons.

Remember why the US got so anxious of China's activities in Africa and Latin America etc.? Because China provides an alternative that was not there before. Even if some of China's activities aren't very successful, the fact that there is an alternative alone is enough to shake the fundation of US dominated world order. Money isn't everything, often not even the most important thing.
 
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latenlazy

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Theoretically, is it feasible for the FC-31 to be redesigned to accept a single WS-15 as its engine?

It just dawned on me that if the J-35 becomes the future "lo" platform (vs J-20 as the hi platform), then the PLA would be at a cost disadvantage compared to the US with a single engined F35

Is it possible that J-35 (with 2 WS-19 engines) is only produced for the navy, and we see a J-36 redesigned to single engine for the air force?
Before looking at cost advantages and disadvantages from the standpoint of engine count, we should probably consider cost comparisons for the whole plane. A plane’s cost is not just in its engines, and production cost and pricing may not be comparable between an F-35 and a J-35 on any number of components and systems regardless their comparable abilities. Also, while not a 1 to 1 scaling, one heavyweight engine will cost more than one midsized engine, so the increased cost for two midsized engines is not double that of one heavyweight engine, all else held equal. Either way, we don’t know what the J-35’s ultimate price per plane will look like, or what the F-35’s will look like by the time an export version of the J-35 is available on the global market, if it becomes available. All we know tentatively is that the J-35 is supposed to have been designed to be very cheap and quick to produce.
 

iantsai

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Iran is a no go. Iran and Saudis are fighting a proxy far right now in Yemen. Also, it would not be cool with Pakistan for China to sell something like FC-31 to Iran. At this point, they would not even sell J-10Cs to Iran. Russia will not be buying FC-31 when Su-57 has already started production builds.

I think these countries could be interested (assuming they don't get access to F-35) in some cases with ToT:
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Indonesia
Malaysia
Thailand
Algeria
Brazil
South Africa
Egypt
Qatar
Oman
Kuwait
Brazil could easily buy western aircrafts like Typhoon, Rafael, Grippen or F-16, F-35, so they won't be eager for a chinese fighter aircraft.

I think we should replace Brazil with Argentina in this list. They have more reasons to buy J-31/35 if their defence budget permits.
 
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