Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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FORBIN

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Air Force Brat said:
The FC-31 is a "tech demonstrator", and they do hope to interest the PLANAF/PLAAF enough to nail down a future requirement, in the mean time, it is available for export, the Saudi's or someone else in the Middle East? or Pakistan for example, who may not be eligible or able to buy F-35??
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The 2nd also or can be considered prototype o_O

With this being the V1 cockpit...
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F-35 seems more large and nice

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I have see much more big not for fighter ofc
Cool to play :cool:
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Air Force Brat

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FORBIN said:
The 2nd also or can be considered prototype o_O



F-35 seems more large and nice

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I have see much more big not for fighter ofc
Cool to play :cool:
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Yes the FC-31 is still a "tech demonstrator",, it's a much better pre-prototype aircraft,, so hopefully at some point China will recognize that Shenyang has a winner here, even any foreign sales will be exciting for China, this is a very fine aircraft that will hopefully? (from the Chinese standpoint, LOL) find an audience and a buyer..

it has the potential to add capability to many Air Forces around the world, and it will further give "made in China" a new meaning, if it only gets a chance??
 
PiSigma

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My basic question was, why go with an export project when there is a requirement inside the country? Why isn't Shenyang working on a plane specifically based on PLAN requirements for a carrier-based fighter? Not that using a modified J-20 or FC-31 is bad, but I think there were better possibilities.

First, having two fifth-generation planes makes sense. I see it similarly to the American situation (except that J-20 should see much larger numbers than F-22). The second plane would incorporate lessons learned from the first and itself serve as a platform for further R&D, be optimized for carrier operation and offer a lower cost alternative for the air force (if possible). It would also keep Shenyang in the game.

Second are timelines. As far as I know, the US will be getting sixth-generation planes starting around 2030. I hope China will be there, let's say, not more than five years later. This is what makes 2017 pretty late to start a fifth-generation project, since it would be running in parallel (or close) to an American one which is a generation ahead. Although it can still be done, particularly if you make it "5.5 generation" or something similar.

For example, after J-20 first flew in 2011 PLAN (and PLAAF, if it's to be a joint program) could have come up with the requirements. Target for first flight between 2014 and 2016 and for service entry between 2020 and 2023. Instead there's an export project (with a total two planes made five years since first flight) hoping to be selected.
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6th gen aircraft research was started several years ago at 611. How much progress right now, I don't know.
 
Air Force Brat

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PiSigma said:
6th gen aircraft research was started several years ago at 611. How much progress right now, I don't know.
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and to be honest?? what makes a 6 gen, myself I think we should build the F-22B as a 5.5 gen and work from there??? looks like Boeing and Lockheed had some preliminary design proposals,,, but no "proof of concepts" have appeared as of yet??

we do have a sixth gen thread, which I hope other posters will start linking some good stuff,, good place for us to crank up the 6 Gen discussion!
 
PiSigma

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and to be honest?? what makes a 6 gen, myself I think we should build the F-22B as a 5.5 gen and work from there??? looks like Boeing and Lockheed had some preliminary design proposals,,, but no "proof of concepts" have appeared as of yet??

we do have a sixth gen thread, which I hope other posters will start linking some good stuff,, good place for us to crank up the 6 Gen discussion!
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Was told 611 started research into a new design a couple years ago. It got nothing to do with J20. And is suppose to be a "if money was no issue" brain storming design. So doesn't sound like a J31 competitor but more like a Gen 6.
 
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PiSigma said:
Was told 611 started research into a new design a couple years ago. It got nothing to do with J20. And is suppose to be a "if money was no issue" brain storming design. So doesn't sound like a J31 competitor but more like a Gen 6.
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yep if you do a little research, post it in the 6 gen thread,, anybody remember where that's at anyway?? LOL I can't even find my way around here??
 
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Just heard the news Japan is trying to get F35B on its carriers. Already set aside the budget for it. They could be put together very soon.

Yet, China still undecided which stealth fighters to put on it carriers. Wasting too much time around.
 
manqiangrexue

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tidalwave said:
Just heard the news Japan is trying to get F35B on its carriers. Already set aside the budget for it. They could be put together very soon.

Yet, China still undecided which stealth fighters to put on it carriers. Wasting too much time around.
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They waste no time. DF-21D, DF-26 ready, not that Japan's stupid enough to try using Izumo+F-35B to attack China. Nobody fights carrier vs carrier anymore; this isn't WWII.

China's in no rush to put 5th gens on carriers because there is no urgent need. They will take their time to get the design they want, no rush, no mistake, no settling.
 
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