Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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Player99

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escobar said:
sometimes ther are one or two indians over there posting very interesting stuff about china.;)
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You mean "one of two Chinese..."?

For the Indians always post interesting stuff about China. Their China threads tend to have more followings than their own stuff. Hehe... I've been wishing, and actually made a plea on Chinadefence.com, that the couple of Chinese participating there quit. I see no hope in trying to lead them to reality. :)
 
SinoSoldier

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Very much doubt it'll supercruise or having "huge" AESA.
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India won't be inducing Rafales until 2015, by which time the J-10B, J-15 would have gone into mass production for a long time. They feature new active electronically scanned array radar, radar absorbent materials, composites, new engine, etc, pretty much all the essential upgrades seen on the Rafale, and with a larger radar and more powerful engine, too. Even then the J-20 would be set for mass production. The 5th generation fighters are obviously meant to counter the American F-22 and F-35, not some Indian Rafale. J-10B, J-15, and J-11B would be meant for that role instead.

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By 2015 the IAF would be inducting a lot of 4.5 generation fighters as well as older ones

- Rafale
- Upgraded Su-30MKI with AESA
- Tejas Mk. II
- MiG-29K

The PLAAF is also on the verge of a huge upgrade program
- J-20*
- J-21*
- J-10B
- J-15
- J-11B
- J-10A
- JF-17 Block II?

*These may enter service slightly later

The notion that the IAF would be able to hold out against the PLAAF fighter would be absurd.

We haven't even considered AEW aircraft yet

India ---

- Phalcon

China ---

- KJ-2000
- KJ-200
- Y-8AEW
- Y-7 AWACS

China's dominance in AEW aircraft is evident in both naval and air aspects.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
India won't be inducing Rafales until 2015, by which time the J-10B, J-15 would have gone into mass production for a long time. They feature new active electronically scanned array radar, radar absorbent materials, composites, new engine, etc, pretty much all the essential upgrades seen on the Rafale, and with a larger radar and more powerful engine, too. Even then the J-20 would be set for mass production. The 5th generation fighters are obviously meant to counter the American F-22 and F-35, not some Indian Rafale. J-10B, J-15, and J-11B would be meant for that role instead.
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Well rafale's not a game changer, no need to assign a specific "counter" to it. Simply adding more modern fighters, increasing force multipliers and modern missile development will keep PLAAF competitive and ahead.

By 2015 the IAF would be inducting a lot of 4.5 generation fighters as well as older ones

- Rafale
- Upgraded Su-30MKI with AESA
- Tejas Mk. II
- MiG-29K

The PLAAF is also on the verge of a huge upgrade program
- J-20*
- J-21*
- J-10B
- J-15
- J-11B
- J-10A
- JF-17 Block II?

*These may enter service slightly later
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You can cut J-15 and J-21, J-20, Jf-17 and merge J-10A/B into one category. J-15's for PLANAF, not air force, there's no indication PLAAF are committed to JF-17, J-21 is still blurry at the moment, and because you didn't include PAKFA/FGFA we can't really include J-20 for the PLAAF either. They're both expected in the latter side of this decade anyhow.


The notion that the IAF would be able to hold out against the PLAAF fighter would be absurd.
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Dangerous waters heh.
 
Hyperwarp

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I don't want to anger the admins/mods
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But i thought I'll I'd add to the above, IAF :

Fighter : M2K (Upgraded), MiG-29 (Upgraded), Su-30MKI, Tejas Mk. II, Rafale
Strike : Jaguar (Upgraded), MiG-27
AEW : Phalcon AEW&C, DRDO AEW&CS
Tanker : Il-78MKI
Transport : C-17, C-130J

One big deficiency I've noticed over the years is ground-based Air-Defence. There are no S-300/MIM-104 type systems. Barak 8 is still a few years away. There was talk of MIM-104F purchase but don't seem to be happening.
 
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hmmwv

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I think ground based air defense is overrated in the 21st century, unless you have a sophisticated, layered SAM network like China or Russia's, coupled with multiple methods of threat detection, it will be defeated easily by VLO asset (F22, F35, J20, SAC 4th gen, etc) or air launched stand off weapon. China is ahead of India in those fields so there is less incentive for India to build up a rather expensive strategic SAM network now. They already have plenty of smaller mobile SAM systems defending key assets, they pose a serious threat if no SEAD mission is assigned to neutralize it, those missiles are tricky to shake off compare to longer range SAMs, illustrated perfectly in the opening scene of the documentary "Behind Enemy Lines." :p
 
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hmmwv said:
I think ground based air defense is overrated in the 21st century, unless you have a sophisticated, layered SAM network like China or Russia's, coupled with multiple methods of threat detection, it will be defeated easily by VLO asset (F22, F35, J20, SAC 4th gen, etc) or air launched stand off weapon. China is ahead of India in those fields so there is less incentive for India to build up a rather expensive strategic SAM network now. They already have plenty of smaller mobile SAM systems defending key assets, they pose a serious threat if no SEAD mission is assigned to neutralize it, those missiles are tricky to shake off compare to longer range SAMs, illustrated perfectly in the opening scene of the documentary "Behind Enemy Lines." :p
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Those short range mobile sams are what UAV Sam baits + SDBs are for.
 
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